NBA=WWE ....Again

[gpap]

Correct me if I am wrong, but that foul by Lebron on Pierce at the of the game should've been a shooting foul, correct?

[Celtics18]

Correct me if I am wrong, but that foul by Lebron on Pierce at the of the game should've been a shooting foul, correct?

Yes.  I'm fairly sure that if that foul had been called it would have been the fifth on Miami in the quarter. 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Brooklyn spent the last 5 minutes of the game basically refusing to score points.

Perhaps without meaning to, you've alluded to an important point: How much of Miami's success these last few seasons has been more due to other teams' failures than to anything the Heat have done?

I think Brooklyn should've won games 4 and 5 of this series, but they choked. I also think San Antonio should've ended last year's Finals in Game 6, but they choked.

I'm not trying to take away from Miami's accomplishments, and of course I do realize that lucky breaks are a part of every sport, but the Heat have been UNBELIEVABLY fortunate in so many ways?no major injuries, being in a weaker conference, and facing playoff opponents who are the opposite of clutch.

[D.o.s.]

Not unintentionally. 

There's also the fact that, save the Celtics and the Mavericks, Miami has had a significant coaching advantage in almost every series. Spolestra's not in the same league as Pop or Carlisle, but he's more than competent enough to provide an edge over guys like Kidd and Scott Brooks.

We all saw some of those out-of-timeout plays the Nets ran at the end of that game. Inexcusably awful, especially against the best D in the league.

[CelticG1]

I think NBA fans have become WAY to comfortable with "stars getting benefit of calls", "not calling fouls im crunch time that are called in 1st quarter", "refs missing a call but shouldnt effect the game" etc etc.

Its embarrasing to defend these things. They happen and they are wrong. I shouldmt watch a game and think "he deserves that call hes a star!" or "that rookie doesmt deserve a call hes a rookie!" or "you dont call that at the end of the game".

People have become so numb to the terrobleness that is the NBA that they just make excuses for everything. Do people honestly think that NBA refs and the refereeing system is as good as its ever going to get? They cant even getthe replays right!

I also find it hilarious that with replay now, if the out of bounds is even remotely close they will just award the ball to whoever they want to award it to and say its incomclusive after the fact. Its a joke and has been happening throughout the entire playoffs. In the last 2 minutes watch every out of bounds play that they review. Every single one will be the call on the floor being the team thays down and inconclusive video replay awarding team that is down the ball.

Is this one big coincidence?

[D.o.s.]

If the refs caught and called ever foul the games would be roughly 56,000 times longer than they already are.

IMO, the best solution is to move the head ref ref to a video booth, and have him/her be the replay reviewer. They know the rules better than anyone else (even if it doesn't feel like it), and I can't believe a guy like Dick Bavetta can still see the game fast enough to nail the calls correctly in real time.

[CelticG1]

Well youre right it probably has a lot to do with the rules tha  anything else. They made rules where you literally cant defend. But then sometimes they allow you to defend. And if you are Lebron you can defend more physically than anyone else in the NBA. Hes an amazing defender but with how the game is officiated today he should be racking up fouls constantly. Its why we always see avery bradley in foul trouble.

Its just not right that you know who is going to get the calls in match up like avery defending chris paul and lebron defending joe johnson. Its just flat out wrong but people accept it for some reason. I dont really get it. It may happen in other sports too but to a lesser exent and it affexts basketball more than any other sport

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Please stop using WWE as a comparison.

Every fan outside of Cenation knows WWE is scripted,  but compare to the NBA, wrestling is not as blatant in telling everyone that it is scripted.

[cman88]

This is why I dont like the comparison of "Lebron is better than jordon" they played in a different era. You even touch Lebron he goes to the line.

while Jordan definitely got some star treatment, he still got beat up by the Pistons, celtics etc.

[D.o.s.]

Well youre right it probably has a lot to do with the rules tha  anything else. They made rules where you literally cant defend. But then sometimes they allow you to defend. And if you are Lebron you can defend more physically than anyone else in the NBA. Hes an amazing defender but with how the game is officiated today he should be racking up fouls constantly. Its why we always see avery bradley in foul trouble.

Its just not right that you know who is going to get the calls in match up like avery defending chris paul and lebron defending joe johnson. Its just flat out wrong but people accept it for some reason. I dont really get it. It may happen in other sports too but to a lesser exent and it affexts basketball more than any other sport

My personal pet peeve is the fact that the refs never call dunkers for using their free arm to clear out a defender, and if they do it's for a defensive foul. Previously it was the Rip Through rule, aka "let's get Durant to the line anytime he wants."

Generally speaking, though, the refereeing is about on the same level as the NFL. Loads of calls go unwhistled in football, too, but the NBA fanbase seems to be the only one that's zeroed in on every single mistake of the officiating crew.

[Celtics4ever]

Sometimes it seems rigged.   I still love the Celtics.   But the finals where KG and PG lost that fourth quarter seemed some of the worse refs I ever saw.   More FTAs in the quarter than we had in the game.  I feel like an addict I can't stop watching.

The instant replay is what makes me mad.   It is also so easy to find the mistakes.

[D.o.s.]

Sometimes it seems rigged.   I still love the Celtics.   But the finals where KG and PG lost that fourth quarter seemed some of the worse refs I ever saw.   More FTAs in the quarter than we had in the game.  I feel like an addict I can't stop watching.

The instant replay is what makes me mad.   It is also so easy to find the mistakes.

I don't think any of us are really ever going to get over that Game 7. Total bull -- which, actually, was my visceral reaction to last night's game. Frustration at the stupid plays by the Nets (oh, yeah, let's post up Shaun Livingston with the game on the line, 'cause its not like we don't have four better players on the floor or anything...)

[MBunge]

Can't depend on the referees to bail you out.

Brooklyn spent the last 5 minutes of the game basically refusing to score points. That's significantly more important to the final score than the Pierce foul from LeBron.

This I have to agree with.  This NBA cliche that you have to slow the game to a crawl when you're ahead in the 4th quarter and run a play with 5 seconds left on the shot clock is like the NFL's prevent defense.

Mike

[GreenWarrior]

If the refs caught and called ever foul the games would be roughly 56,000 times longer than they already are.

IMO, the best solution is to move the head ref ref to a video booth, and have him/her be the replay reviewer. They know the rules better than anyone else (even if it doesn't feel like it), and I can't believe a guy like Dick Bavetta can still see the game fast enough to nail the calls correctly in real time.

I think the best solution is to have less refs and less rules, or more defined rules that leave less "grey area" to be open to interpretation by each individual official.

I say less refs specifically because of when I was watching a game on ESPN where they had the head of officiating explain to everyone watching what he had just seen and why(in this particular case) there was no call when there was a blatant foul and there was a ref not 2 feet away from where the foul occurred.

and....here's where the comedy comes in! "the reason that ref didn't make this call is it wasn't his responsibility, he's watching for something else in this situation". as it turns out on this particular play it was an official on the other side of the court's responsibilty to see through 5 guys and make this call....

I say have 2 refs. 1 watching the ball and whoever is involved in dribbling/handling the ball and whoever is defending the ball. and have the other official watching everything else off the ball. keep it simple these morons probably don't know how to dress themselves in the morning.

[Celtics4ever]

If they got rid of replay their ineptness would be less noticable.  They are joke who won't admit when they are wrong.