I hate that Ray Allen just put the dagger in the Career of KG and P2

[TitleMaster]

Folks, in game 7 of the 2010 finals, Ray shot a mere ~21% from the field. In essence, if he even did his normal scoring average, we'd have two titles today from the Big 3 era.

Thus, he's not something great.

In essence, being Robert Horry for Miami was a natural fit, for the twilight of his career. He was not essential to the Boston Celtics since '08, and really, if his shots didn't start falling during the Detroit ECF series, we were pretty much toast. He was laying bricks for two full rounds. There was a limit to the number of 7 game rounds we could handle. Fortunately, he started playing like a star during the last two.

At best, he was a silent version of Eddie House (and Eddie was also somewhat fearless in not hesitating to shoot), but Ray was given more props because of his Seattle days. Face it, the Big 3 was the Big 2.5 (plus the big bench of Posey, House, Powe, Cassell, PJ, BBD, T Allen).

 

[BballTim]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

  Ray's in the HOF, but he's just a role player hanging on the coattails of superstars. He hit a big 3 in game 6 last year (doubt that was the "biggest ever") and followed that up with a goose egg in game 7. Part of the bad blood comes from his going to Miami, much of it comes from the glimpse at what a petty diva he seems to be.

He's just as important to that Miami team as James Posey was to our 2008 team.  He's a role player, but he's an important role player. 

In SImmons "Book of Basketball", he had Ray ranked #62 in his Hall of Fame pyramid... just one ahead of Reggie Miller at #63.  Winning two titles in Miami would probably inch him up even more.

  Yes, that's a good comparison. Posey was our 5th or 6th most important player. Ray's in that range. Simmons is an idiot but I'm not really a Miller fan so I don't have a big problem with putting Ray in that range either.

[celtics2030]

You SERIOUSLY believe that Ray Allen is going to be remembered more as a role player off the bench for the heat rather than being a big 3 on a boston championship team to win a championship?

that is just a rediculous statement. 

Thats like saying if in 10years Lebron is a role player on a team who hits a few big shots that helps the team get a championship he will be remembered more for that than when he was an MVP/leading his team.

That what he's best at, being a glorified role player coming off the bench. 

Seriously, I start to wonder why Doc didn't use Ray this way. He really excelled in this scoring 6th man role. Shortened minute also makes him more dangerous in crunch time.

Doc did exactly that

Right... He just wouldn't accept it here. Joker

and he whined and complained to the media airing out his dirty laundry like a baby

Proof?

[celtics2030]

Folks, in game 7 of the 2010 finals, Ray shot a mere ~21% from the field. In essence, if he even did his normal scoring average, we'd have two titles today from the Big 3 era.

Thus, he's not something great.

In essence, being Robert Horry for Miami was a natural fit, for the twilight of his career. He was not essential to the Boston Celtics since '08, and really, if his shots didn't start falling during the Detroit ECF series, we were pretty much toast. He was laying bricks for two full rounds. There was a limit to the number of 7 game rounds we could handle. Fortunately, he started playing like a star during the last two.

At best, he was a silent version of Eddie House (and Eddie was also somewhat fearless in not hesitating to shoot), but Ray was given more props because of his Seattle days. Face it, the Big 3 was the Big 2.5 (plus the big bench of Posey, House, Powe, Cassell, PJ, BBD, T Allen).

Congrats on putting the blame on one player in that game

Paul Pierce was 5-15 in that game, all starters played 40+ , Ray logged in 46 minutes.

Ray was on Kobe that game, what did kobe shoot? 6-24

It was a rugged game in which the score was 83-79

We all know how the refs felt and who they wanted in that game evident by the free throws.

[celtics2030]

Pierce's career isn't over.

Nope he was still effective in a lesser role and still wants to play.

KG looked pretty cooked, I'm sure he could get a contract even if the Nets can buy him out but I think he'll retire. But who knows....

KG looks just about done.

Pierce is amazing, at his age I dont remember any player being able to still be the offensive threat that he is, shoot the 3, drive , still finish above average, get to the line, make great passes, and rebound the ball

the guy is doing things that in history have not been done before.

[D.o.s.]

Folks, in game 7 of the 2010 finals, Ray shot a mere ~21% from the field. In essence, if he even did his normal scoring average, we'd have two titles today from the Big 3 era.

Thus, he's not something great.

In essence, being Robert Horry for Miami was a natural fit, for the twilight of his career. He was not essential to the Boston Celtics since '08, and really, if his shots didn't start falling during the Detroit ECF series, we were pretty much toast. He was laying bricks for two full rounds. There was a limit to the number of 7 game rounds we could handle. Fortunately, he started playing like a star during the last two.

At best, he was a silent version of Eddie House (and Eddie was also somewhat fearless in not hesitating to shoot), but Ray was given more props because of his Seattle days. Face it, the Big 3 was the Big 2.5 (plus the big bench of Posey, House, Powe, Cassell, PJ, BBD, T Allen).

And if Ray Allen doesn't play his ass off against the Bulls we might not get past them in the first round in 2009. What's your point? That sometimes players make shots and sometimes they don't? Profound.



Plus, Ray was a much better player in Milwaukee than Seattle.

[celtics2030]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

For all his career achievements, he is a little mouse when compared to that of KG and Pierce. It was all about KG before LeBron and Pierce's name will be among some NBA legends where people won't even think about somebody named Allen.


...I'm not underrating him. But let's be real, Allen's legacy was forever destroyed when he left Boston and went to the team that just beat them. 50 years from now, people will remember him as a classic example of "when you can't beat em, join em". Sure he hit his clutch shot against the Spurs last year, but wasn't that something he was supposed to be good at anyways (the corner three) and supposed to hit considering how wide open he was at that moment? Also, it's much easier when you don't have to take the pressure for missing the shot and it's LeBron who takes all the criticism, even for your mistakes.

Overall, Allen's legacy and career, for however good you believe it is, is no where close to that of the The Big Ticket's and The Truth's.

lol, are you drinking the green cool aid?

Oh yea that shot was so easy right? Yea he was wide open right? back peddling as he caught it making sure he was behind the 3 point line, with minimal time left, if it was a 2 it would have probably been a loss. Oh yea and the season was on the line in a finals game.

*sarcasm* 

[celtics2030]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

  Ray's in the HOF, but he's just a role player hanging on the coattails of superstars. He hit a big 3 in game 6 last year (doubt that was the "biggest ever") and followed that up with a goose egg in game 7. Part of the bad blood comes from his going to Miami, much of it comes from the glimpse at what a petty diva he seems to be.

what would you like Ray Allen to do at age 38 and 39, score 20 points a game?

His role is what his role is.

[timpiker]

I just plain hate Ray Allen

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I feel you though. Those Ray daggers hurt. Even the one against the Spurs last year.

that dagger would have been meaningless had kawhi leonard made his free throws and put the spurs up by 4 icing the game!!!!!!!!!!HE CHOKED! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

That is all

C'est la vie.

[badshar]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

For all his career achievements, he is a little mouse when compared to that of KG and Pierce. It was all about KG before LeBron and Pierce's name will be among some NBA legends where people won't even think about somebody named Allen.


...I'm not underrating him. But let's be real, Allen's legacy was forever destroyed when he left Boston and went to the team that just beat them. 50 years from now, people will remember him as a classic example of "when you can't beat em, join em". Sure he hit his clutch shot against the Spurs last year, but wasn't that something he was supposed to be good at anyways (the corner three) and supposed to hit considering how wide open he was at that moment? Also, it's much easier when you don't have to take the pressure for missing the shot and it's LeBron who takes all the criticism, even for your mistakes.

Overall, Allen's legacy and career, for however good you believe it is, is no where close to that of the The Big Ticket's and The Truth's.

lol, are you drinking the green cool aid?

Oh yea that shot was so easy right? Yea he was wide open right? back peddling as he caught it making sure he was behind the 3 point line, with minimal time left, if it was a 2 it would have probably been a loss. Oh yea and the season was on the line in a finals game.

*sarcasm*

That's great and all, but aside from the mental pressure of that shot (finals, game on the line etc.), how many times has he physically made such a shot in the last several years? Probably double digit times.

The shot wasn't easy, but let's not overrate the difficulty of that shot, as if it was somee turnaround-fadeaway-one-foot shot.

[badshar]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

I think he's next to the Outrageous-Hyperboles. They live down the street.

Anyway, Ray Allen will probably go down as the best three point shooter in NBA history (at least, so far), depending on what happens with Steph Curry.

Being a great 3 point shooter doesn't really hold much against KG's and Pierce's legendary careers. Does it?

[SHAQATTACK]

That is all

C'est la vie.

c'est la guerre.       

[Celtics4ever]

His big mouth put the kisbosh on his nice guy image.