I hate that Ray Allen just put the dagger in the Career of KG and P2

[CelticG1]

hey if your seaso  is on the line 2 games in a row, might as well go for the livingston post up or the Johnson iso on best defender in the world who doesnt foul. Classic

[Lucky17]

Huh?

There's nothing I hate more than people calling games an hour before they end.

Like this thread?

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65672.msg1493563#msg1493563

If you weren't there, you probably don't know what this was about.

[badshar]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

For all his career achievements, he is a little mouse when compared to that of KG and Pierce. It was all about KG before LeBron and Pierce's name will be among some NBA legends where people won't even think about somebody named Allen.


...I'm not underrating him. But let's be real, Allen's legacy was forever destroyed when he left Boston and went to the team that just beat them. 50 years from now, people will remember him as a classic example of "when you can't beat em, join em". Sure he hit his clutch shot against the Spurs last year, but wasn't that something he was supposed to be good at anyways (the corner three) and supposed to hit considering how wide open he was at that moment? Also, it's much easier when you don't have to take the pressure for missing the shot and it's LeBron who takes all the criticism, even for your mistakes.

Overall, Allen's legacy and career, for however good you believe it is, is no where close to that of the The Big Ticket's and The Truth's.

[chenaren]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

For all his career achievements, he is a little mouse when compared to that of KG and Pierce. It was all about KG before LeBron and Pierce's name will be among some NBA legends where people won't even think about somebody named Allen.


...I'm not underrating him. But let's be real, Allen's legacy was forever destroyed when he left Boston and went to the team that just beat them. 50 years from now, people will remember him as a classic example of "when you can't beat em, join em". Sure he hit his clutch shot against the Spurs last year, but wasn't that something he was supposed to be good at anyways (the corner three) and supposed to hit considering how wide open he was at that moment? Also, it's much easier when you don't have to take the pressure for missing the shot and it's LeBron who takes all the criticism, even for your mistakes.

Overall, Allen's legacy and career, for however good you believe it is, is no where close to that of the The Big Ticket's and The Truth's.

I don't like Ray Allen either, but unfortunately people tend to remember the 'good parts'.

[chambers]

Was always gonna be hard for Brooklyn with Lopez' injury & Williams recovery. Williams was about as useful as a prime Mario Chalmers. Throw in the rookie coach and the Nets will be a scary team next season.
Miami has once again gotten a great run of opponents injuries but they're still cruising. Would have been nice to see them go to 7 games and get beat up a bit but the Pacers will be tough.
Still can't see them beating the Spurs.

[LarBrd33]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter. 

[D.o.s.]

Who is Allen to put a "dagger" on a former league MVP and face of the league's career and a Celtics legend and Finals MVP whose name will be next to Bill Russel and Larry Bird and who hit some of the most unrealistic and unimaginable clutch shots in the faces of countless superstars and legends?

I think he's next to the Outrageous-Hyperboles. They live down the street.

Anyway, Ray Allen will probably go down as the best three point shooter in NBA history (at least, so far), depending on what happens with Steph Curry.

[More Banners]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

Somewhere in there is an acknowledgement that Ray Allen's legacy, insofar as he will be most remembered, will be as a sharpshooting super-role player, more Robert Horry than a teal-leading allstar (like Pierce and KG will be remembered) who had his greatest success when he filled in on contenders.

And perhaps in retrospect, he didn't "sacrifice" his game that much in 2008, either.  I didn't watch him enough immediately pre-injury and trade to us to know how well he defended and could slash/turn the corner, but there is really no doubt that in terms of stardom and relative dominance at position in 2008, he was 3rd banana.

Pierce was a top SF, as evidenced by going mano-a-mano against the consensus top SF (Lebron) in the playoffs for 40+.

KG was quite possibly the top all-around PF that year as well, dominant as he still was, pre-knee injury.

Ray was coming off double ankle-surgery at the time, and his roles have fairly steadily declined since 2006, I think, while his success (in terms of team wins,and probably efficiency too) has increased fairly steadily.

[Who]

I thought it was great seeing Ray Allen stick it to that Brooklyn team. Delighted for him.

I do not like that Brooklyn team -- no matter how much I try to -- Too much iso-ball. Slow plodding team. Crappy unbalanced small ball units. Always a couple of players underachieving every night. Lack team identity / cohesiveness.

Happy to see the Nets knocked out and I thought it was fantastic Ray had a big series against KG + Pierce and was the one to knock in that huge shot at the end of last night's game. Typical Ray. Clutch.

[cb8883]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

It's like when people get mad at David West for choosing Indiana over Boston. Ray made the right decision and he will be remembered more in his 2 years with the Heat than he will in Boston. Helping the Heat to a title last year and this year is going to be enough to have his number retired there. Pat Riley is the best exec in sports period.

[BballTim]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

  Ray's in the HOF, but he's just a role player hanging on the coattails of superstars. He hit a big 3 in game 6 last year (doubt that was the "biggest ever") and followed that up with a goose egg in game 7. Part of the bad blood comes from his going to Miami, much of it comes from the glimpse at what a petty diva he seems to be.

[gift]

It would hurt more if the nets had a chance anyway. One way or another they were losing this series. If it was like his shot against the Spurs last year where it goes from a sure loss to a sure win, that would sting beyond belief.

[Roy H.]

Pierce's career isn't over. 

[cman88]

Ray just continues to move up the hall of fame pyramid.  Is there any doubt that he made the best decision?  I mean, seriously.  I have absolutely no bad blood towards Ray.   He lost his role to Avery Bradley on a mediocre .500 team that was inching very close to irrelevance.  Half the fanbase wanted to trade him anyways.  Boston DID trade him to Memphis, but the deal fell through.  The Celtics had no loyalty to Ray... so why would he have loyalty to the Celtics?  Within a year we saw KG, Paul and Doc all leave too.  Ray still clearly had skills to give to a contender... so he went to a contender.   So far everything he's done over the past two years in Miami has just vindicated his choice.   He hit the biggest 3-pointer in playoffs history last year... this year he's a key contributor on a team that is contending for a championship.   Kudos to you Ray.  Thanks for helping us win a title.

The bad blood comes from people who mistakenly believed Ray bailed on a Boston contender for a "rival".   It's nonsense.  Our time was already over.  Ray saw it before most of the fans did.   The fact that we happened to meet Miami in the playoffs twice didn't really matter.

It's like when people get mad at David West for choosing Indiana over Boston. Ray made the right decision and he will be remembered more in his 2 years with the Heat than he will in Boston. Helping the Heat to a title last year and this year is going to be enough to have his number retired there. Pat Riley is the best exec in sports period.

You SERIOUSLY believe that Ray Allen is going to be remembered more as a role player off the bench for the heat rather than being a big 3 on a boston championship team to win a championship?

that is just a rediculous statement. 

Thats like saying if in 10years Lebron is a role player on a team who hits a few big shots that helps the team get a championship he will be remembered more for that than when he was an MVP/leading his team.

[chenaren]

You SERIOUSLY believe that Ray Allen is going to be remembered more as a role player off the bench for the heat rather than being a big 3 on a boston championship team to win a championship?

that is just a rediculous statement. 

Thats like saying if in 10years Lebron is a role player on a team who hits a few big shots that helps the team get a championship he will be remembered more for that than when he was an MVP/leading his team.

That what he's best at, being a glorified role player coming off the bench. 

Seriously, I start to wonder why Doc didn't use Ray this way. He really excelled in this scoring 6th man role. Shortened minute also makes him more dangerous in crunch time.