Trade for Love ideas (merged)

[D.o.s.]

Rondo for Rubio isn't a wash -- Rubio's the JV Rondo on a good day. On a bad day he's like a hungover Kendall Marshall.

Seriously, I don't know where this keeps coming from. Is it the passing highlights? Is it the fact that people want another whitewash Celtics squad? I don't get it.

Also, there's no reason to use per-36 when both of them played ~33 MPG last season:

Rondo:
11.7/9.8/5.5 on 44/29/62

Rubio:
9.5/8.6/4.2 on 33/39/82
http://bkref.com/tiny/pWRSa

[Smokeeye123]

Yeah but I guarantee whoever Minnesota picks will bust. Looking back at their picks the last 5 years it's really astonishing how many times theyve struck out drafting players. Love was the only home run they had, they should be a contender right now if they drafted right.

Also, thinking about it, I honestly dont think there is any way Love resigns here. I'd rather the Celtics go after Aldridge or M. Gasol who i think are equal/better players anyways.

Much more unlikely to get either of them as theyre both content in their situation as opposed to Love who wants out of Minny...

Ehh, Idk, Gizzlies are at a brick wall and should probably rebuild sooner rather than later. trading Gasol for Sullinger/picks would just help them speed it up.

Portland too, but they are just good enough to kick the tires a couple more years with their core.

[LarBrd33]

Rondo for Rubio isn't a wash -- Rubio's the JV Rondo on a good day. On a bad day he's like a hungover Kendall Marshall.

Seriously, I don't know where this keeps coming from. Is it the passing highlights? Is it the fact that people want another whitewash Celtics squad? I don't get it.

Also, there's no reason to use per-36 when both of them played ~33 MPG last season:

Rondo:
11.7/9.8/5.5 on 40/29/62

Rubio:
9.5/8.6/4.2 on 38/39/82
http://bkref.com/tiny/pWRSa

Swap Rubio for Rondo, Boston still probably ends up on a 16 win pace and Minnesota still probably misses the playoffs.  But the stats would still mirror each other.  It's a wash.

[Aymanelgowainy]

Yeah but I guarantee whoever Minnesota picks will bust. Looking back at their picks the last 5 years it's really astonishing how many times theyve struck out drafting players. Love was the only home run they had, they should be a contender right now if they drafted right.

Also, thinking about it, I honestly dont think there is any way Love resigns here. I'd rather the Celtics go after Aldridge or M. Gasol who i think are equal/better players anyways.

Much more unlikely to get either of them as theyre both content in their situation as opposed to Love who wants out of Minny...

Ehh, Idk, Gizzlies are at a brick wall and should probably rebuild sooner rather than later. trading Gasol for Sullinger/picks would just help them speed it up.

Portland too, but they are just good enough to kick the tires a couple more years with their core.

Why would they want another PF when they have ZBo?

[Smokeeye123]

Considering their contracts, health and age... Rondo and Rubio is a wash.

  Hilarious.

Per-36
10.7 points, 9.6 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 2.6 steals, 38%/33%/80%
12.6 points, 10.6 assists, 5.1 rebounds, 1.4 steals, 40%/29%/63%

Rubio is 5 years younger, still on his rookie contract and not coming off major surgery. 

You'd give Rondo the edge, but it's pretty close.  Would Minny trade Rubio straight-up for Rondo ?  Probably not.

Would Minny trade Rubio + Love + a pick for Rondo... Heck no.

If Minnesota wouldnt trade Rubio for Rondo straight up like you think they wouldn't, their GM should be immediately fired and forbidden from ever watching an NBA game again. Rubio is a bust who is worse than Rondo in every way and abysmal at defense, nonexistent almost. You're basing your analysis on last year where one was coming off major knee surgery thrown onto a team with all new faces while the other was in the prime of his career and seemingly without anything holding him back.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo for Rubio isn't a wash -- Rubio's the JV Rondo on a good day. On a bad day he's like a hungover Kendall Marshall.

Seriously, I don't know where this keeps coming from. Is it the passing highlights? Is it the fact that people want another whitewash Celtics squad? I don't get it.

Also, there's no reason to use per-36 when both of them played ~33 MPG last season:

Rondo:
11.7/9.8/5.5 on 40/29/62

Rubio:
9.5/8.6/4.2 on 38/39/82
http://bkref.com/tiny/pWRSa

Swap Rubio for Rondo, Boston still probably ends up on a 16 win pace and Minnesota still probably misses the playoffs.  But the stats would still mirror each other.  It's a wash.

That's probably true, too. Boston would've finished with a worse record.

Which is why the idea of grabbing Love mystifies me -- we're not going to be a considerably better team than the Minne squad he lead to a crappy record last year, so why would we be any better? Even in the Eastern Conference, we'd likely be a 40 win team. Gross and no thank you to that.

[Tr1boy]

I wouldn't do it.  Not top 3.  There's simply no guarantee he stays beyond next year , and that would be disastrous if he left.  5-8, yes.  But top 3, I wouldn't.

Like I mentioned from an earlier post a trade that can workout for everyone is

To wolves: wiggins or parker,  sullinger, wallace
To celts: love, 13th pick

You can then flip the 13 and 17 to either sac or the lakers for their pick and a early 2nd round pick or something.

From the lakers pick then for example danny can choose Smart or Gordon

Yes you risk on losing love but you still get a high level prospect for the future.

[GreenFaith1819]

So the Celtics build a new big 3 for a year with Melo (most overrated player in the NBA) and Kevin Love (2nd most overrated player in the NBA) and Rondo (3rd most overrated). This should go over real well by January. Plus these guys have been out of college for so long I doubt they would respect Stevens. I want blue collar players on this team. I want young and exciting talent. We've seen the best of Melo and Love. I want to see the best of Embiid Parker Wiggins and Exum

So do you think that a hypothetical lineup of Rondo/Sully/Green(Embiid/Parker/Wiggins/Exum), while young and exciting - would win many games?

Say we get Wiggins...and perhaps Danny gets Asik.

So we'd have (under your plan):

Rondo
Wiggins/Parker
Green
Sully
Asik?

That team would make the playoffs, but that's it...with extreme luck maybe 2nd round.

If we're fortunate enough to land KLove (and Melo), I'd be VERY happy. We can win those three.

The NBA is a Superstar League...only exceptions to this is San Antonio....I have no earthly idea how Spurs do it.

Carmelo Anthony had perhaps his best year ever....shot efficiently from deep and the field...rebounded more...passed more...and kept his mouth shut for the most part. He put his head down and went to work every night. My perception of Melo has changed after last season.

I really believe Melo gets it, now.

KLove? Man has been an All-Star as well...my only knock is his lack of defense, but that would get better in BOS, with Rondo leading the team.

IMO, Rondo-KLove-maybe Melo? Places us in contention status...if we can get Asik? Even better.

Those young players in BOS that you mentioned would be entertaining, but Boston is Title Town. We need Stars to win titles.

Getting KLove could perhaps be that 1st shoe to drop.

[Smokeeye123]

Yeah but I guarantee whoever Minnesota picks will bust. Looking back at their picks the last 5 years it's really astonishing how many times theyve struck out drafting players. Love was the only home run they had, they should be a contender right now if they drafted right.

Also, thinking about it, I honestly dont think there is any way Love resigns here. I'd rather the Celtics go after Aldridge or M. Gasol who i think are equal/better players anyways.

Much more unlikely to get either of them as theyre both content in their situation as opposed to Love who wants out of Minny...

Ehh, Idk, Gizzlies are at a brick wall and should probably rebuild sooner rather than later. trading Gasol for Sullinger/picks would just help them speed it up.

Portland too, but they are just good enough to kick the tires a couple more years with their core.

Why would they want another PF when they have ZBo?

Well if they trade Gasol that means they will be blowing it up anyways. Z Bo won't be part of the future so he will be shipped somewhere else probably.

Think of the Jazz 2 years ago. Millsap and Jefferson were both gotten rid of so young talent could come in and they could rebuild. It's the same situation in Memphis.

[Monkhouse]

So the Celtics build a new big 3 for a year with Melo (most overrated player in the NBA) and Kevin Love (2nd most overrated player in the NBA) and Rondo (3rd most overrated). This should go over real well by January. Plus these guys have been out of college for so long I doubt they would respect Stevens. I want blue collar players on this team. I want young and exciting talent. We've seen the best of Melo and Love. I want to see the best of Embiid Parker Wiggins and Exum

So do you think that a hypothetical lineup of Rondo/Sully/Green(Embiid/Parker/Wiggins/Exum), while young and exciting - would win many games?

Say we get Wiggins...and perhaps Danny gets Asik.

So we'd have (under your plan):

Rondo
Wiggins/Parker
Green
Sully
Asik?

That team would make the playoffs, but that's it...with extreme luck maybe 2nd round.

If we're fortunate enough to land KLove (and Melo), I'd be VERY happy. We can win those three.

The NBA is a Superstar League...only exceptions to this is San Antonio....I have no earthly idea how Spurs do it.

Carmelo Anthony had perhaps his best year ever....shot efficiently from deep and the field...rebounded more...passed more...and kept his mouth shut for the most part. He put his head down and went to work every night. My perception of Melo has changed after last season.

I really believe Melo gets it, now.

KLove? Man has been an All-Star as well...my only knock is his lack of defense, but that would get better in BOS, with Rondo leading the team.

IMO, Rondo-KLove-maybe Melo? Places us in contention status...if we can get Asik? Even better.

Those young players in BOS that you mentioned would be entertaining, but Boston is Title Town. We need Stars to win titles.

Getting KLove could perhaps be that 1st shoe to drop.

I already proved earlier in this thread that Love isn't that bad on defense, and I agree about Melo... Melo eerily reminds me of Paul Pierce in '07... Does everyone forget how much crying and bickering he had with refs, and the constant struggles of leading a team by himself? After Walker was traded, Pierce was extremely upset, and felt he wasn't going to win anything.

As for the Spurs, don't get it twisted, but I think Leonard/Duncan/Ginobli/Parker is all you need imo... When you have one of the best coaches in the NBA... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[lon3lytoaster]

I'd be a little upset to trade a top-5 pick for Love when we didn't for KG.

[Aymanelgowainy]

Yeah but I guarantee whoever Minnesota picks will bust. Looking back at their picks the last 5 years it's really astonishing how many times theyve struck out drafting players. Love was the only home run they had, they should be a contender right now if they drafted right.

Also, thinking about it, I honestly dont think there is any way Love resigns here. I'd rather the Celtics go after Aldridge or M. Gasol who i think are equal/better players anyways.

Much more unlikely to get either of them as theyre both content in their situation as opposed to Love who wants out of Minny...

Ehh, Idk, Gizzlies are at a brick wall and should probably rebuild sooner rather than later. trading Gasol for Sullinger/picks would just help them speed it up.

Portland too, but they are just good enough to kick the tires a couple more years with their core.

Why would they want another PF when they have ZBo?

Well if they trade Gasol that means they will be blowing it up anyways. Z Bo won't be part of the future so he will be shipped somewhere else probably.

Think of the Jazz 2 years ago. Millsap and Jefferson were both gotten rid of so young talent could come in and they could rebuild. It's the same situation in Memphis.

Hmm idk i think Memphis will go after a FA SF and go for it one more time...

[BballTim]

Rondo for Rubio isn't a wash -- Rubio's the JV Rondo on a good day. On a bad day he's like a hungover Kendall Marshall.

Seriously, I don't know where this keeps coming from. Is it the passing highlights? Is it the fact that people want another whitewash Celtics squad? I don't get it.

Also, there's no reason to use per-36 when both of them played ~33 MPG last season:

Rondo:
11.7/9.8/5.5 on 40/29/62

Rubio:
9.5/8.6/4.2 on 38/39/82
http://bkref.com/tiny/pWRSa

Swap Rubio for Rondo, Boston still probably ends up on a 16 win pace and Minnesota still probably misses the playoffs.  But the stats would still mirror each other.  It's a wash.

  If your point is that a full season of a healthy Rubio is almost worth half a season of Rondo when he's coming back from a serious injury then I'd say your analysis is closer to the truth than I originally thought. My apologies.

[CoachBo]

In a one-for-one, Rondo has the better track record. Last season, not so much.

If Love is coming with Rubio, and Rondo et al. and picks are going out ... bye, Rondo. Enjoy the cold.

[SparzWizard]

Might as well change the team name to Minnesota Timberwolves, of the East.