Joakim Noah: I have the utmost respect for Rondo

[kozlodoev]

I use to hate Noah with a passion back when he was a young player getting in KG's face.  I respect it now that he's a veteran.

Oh, I loved that part. Kind of reminded me of Perkins while KG was still in Minnesotta.

[Fred Roberts]

Noah is a great player and we could have drafted him in 2007. As an alternative to getting KG & Ray for 5 years, imagine if we nabbed Noah in the lotto and got Marc Gasol with the late 1st rounder?

The team we hypothetically might have today would inlcude:
Gasol
Noah
Pierce
G. Green or R. Gay
Rondo

Highly hypothetical, but interesting (to me at least)

[D.o.s.]

If you think of Most Valuable in a literal sense, it's got to be Noah. He's significantly more valuable to his respective team than Durant, LeBron, Love, or anyone else you could think to throw out.


If you think of Most Valuable as analogous to 'Best', you look elsewhere.

A lot of people debate on best player vs most valuable player on a team but it really isn't that complicated IMO.

I think there's a misconception about what MVP means. I believe the award should be given to the Most Valuable Player OF THE LEAGUE, not of one team. It's pretty straight forward.

I agree -- which is why we should make it a scientific metric based on jersey sales, because obviously the player moving the most jerseys in the most markets is the most valuable to the NBA.

Super straightforward, right?

[Celtics18]

If you think of Most Valuable in a literal sense, it's got to be Noah. He's significantly more valuable to his respective team than Durant, LeBron, Love, or anyone else you could think to throw out.


If you think of Most Valuable as analogous to 'Best', you look elsewhere.

The literal value of an NBA player?  Hmmm?  I'm not so sure that's a real thing.

[D.o.s.]

If you think of Most Valuable in a literal sense, it's got to be Noah. He's significantly more valuable to his respective team than Durant, LeBron, Love, or anyone else you could think to throw out.


If you think of Most Valuable as analogous to 'Best', you look elsewhere.

The literal value of an NBA player?  Hmmm?  I'm not so sure that's a real thing.

Only if you can't figure out which players are worth more to their respective teams on the court. Which is a learned skill, I suppose, although you could look at their relative contracts as a bit of a cheat sheet.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Noah is a great player and we could have drafted him in 2007. As an alternative to getting KG & Ray for 5 years, imagine if we nabbed Noah in the lotto and got Marc Gasol with the late 1st rounder?

The team we hypothetically might have today would inlcude:
Gasol
Noah
Pierce
G. Green or R. Gay
Rondo

Highly hypothetical, but interesting (to me at least)

Noah and Gasol??? Not sure how that would work out.

[Celtics18]

If you think of Most Valuable in a literal sense, it's got to be Noah. He's significantly more valuable to his respective team than Durant, LeBron, Love, or anyone else you could think to throw out.


If you think of Most Valuable as analogous to 'Best', you look elsewhere.

The literal value of an NBA player?  Hmmm?  I'm not so sure that's a real thing.

Only if you can't figure out which players are worth more to their respective teams on the court. Which is a learned skill, I suppose, although you could look at their relative contracts as a bit of a cheat sheet.

All debates over, I guess.  D.o.s. has learned the skill.  All we need to do is ask. 

[D.o.s.]

Hostile much?

[Celtics18]

Hostile much?

I'm sorry that's how you took my response.  I wasn't attempting to be hostile. Maybe a bit sarcastic, not hostile. 

[D.o.s.]

Fair. am working & posting with a vicious headache.

anyway, Noah's got my MVP vote, but that's just because LeBron and KD are yucky (Durant's Jordan-Rules Syndrome has really soured me on his game this year).

[LooseCannon]

Yeah it's kinda hard to figure out what Chicago's long-term vision is or if they even have one.

I know alot of it centers around Rose and I've got to think that Chicago is going to have to make a decision sooner rather than later on whether to build around him or to build around Noah and just assume that Rose will never regain his health again.

The part that baffles me is why on earth they just dealt away Luol Deng for nothing.

If I had to guess, I would say Chicago is probably going to remain a competitor for the long haul. I don't see them dealing Noah and definitely could see them adding a big piece this summer like Melo or Bosh.

They also have pieces to deal like Butler, Gibson, Boozer's expiring deal, Snell, etc.

Well, goal number one is to build the best team possible without dipping into the luxury tax (unless they have a strong contender).

Rose's contract takes up so much of the cap that their number one option has to be building a team with Rose as the cornerstone.  Ideally, he becomes an Amare-like albatross so that the team has no choice but to wait until he comes off the books and decide to trade Noah to the Celtics in a rebuilding deal.

The other thing they are waiting on is to see how Nikola Mirotic turns out.  He is arguably the best player in Europe and there is a strong belief that he will be in the NBA next season.  Since Mirotic is no longer bound by the rookie scale, there is some belief that the Bulls might try to clear cap space to offer him more than the MLE.

They dealt Deng for immediate savings of $20m this season and financial flexibility in the future.

[Donoghus]

They dealt Deng for immediate savings of $20m this season and financial flexibility in the future.

Exactly.  And, IMO, they really haven't missed him much.  Still gonna make the playoffs, could make the 2nd round, gain more financial flexibility and moveable assets from the Deng trade, and get Rose back next year.

The big questions are gonna be what kind of Derrick Rose do they get back and what are they gonna get with this flexiblity (Melo?).

[nickagneta]

If you think of Most Valuable in a literal sense, it's got to be Noah. He's significantly more valuable to his respective team than Durant, LeBron, Love, or anyone else you could think to throw out.


If you think of Most Valuable as analogous to 'Best', you look elsewhere.

A lot of people debate on best player vs most valuable player on a team but it really isn't that complicated IMO.

I think there's a misconception about what MVP means. I believe the award should be given to the Most Valuable Player OF THE LEAGUE, not of one team. It's pretty straight forward.

I agree -- which is why we should make it a scientific metric based on jersey sales, because obviously the player moving the most jerseys in the most markets is the most valuable to the NBA.

Super straightforward, right?

MVP of the League? Meaning who is most valuable to the league as a business? If so then MJ should have won every MVP since 1988 because even in retirement, I am not sure anyone has been more valuable to the league year in and year out as Michael Jordan.

Maybe we should just go with who is having the best overall year and in turn is also most valuable to making their team what it is.   

[D.o.s.]

MVP of the League? Meaning who is most valuable to the league as a business? If so then MJ should have won every MVP since 1988 because even in retirement, I am not sure anyone has been more valuable to the league year in and year out as Michael Jordan.

Maybe we should just go with who is having the best overall year and in turn is also most valuable to making their team what it is.   

See, that to me is a false correlation. I'd also say that Kobe and LeBron would win at least one of those $MVP awards.

But while Best Overall Year = Best Contributor to the team =/= Most valuable to the team, not as a given, anyway. At least not to my eyes.

Kyrie Irving was more valuable to the Cavs last year than LeBron was to Miami. etc.

[nickagneta]

MVP of the League? Meaning who is most valuable to the league as a business? If so then MJ should have won every MVP since 1988 because even in retirement, I am not sure anyone has been more valuable to the league year in and year out as Michael Jordan.

Maybe we should just go with who is having the best overall year and in turn is also most valuable to making their team what it is.   

See, that to me is a false correlation. I'd also say that Kobe and LeBron would win at least one of those $MVP awards.

But while Best Overall Year = Best Contributor to the team =/= Most valuable to the team, not as a given, anyway. At least not to my eyes.

Kyrie Irving was more valuable to the Cavs last year than LeBron was to Miami. etc.

But if he can't make his team any good then just how valuable is Kyrie Irving? Obviously not as valuable as Lebron because Lebron can raise his team to win a title while Irving can't raise his team into the playoffs.