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Re: Joakim Noah: I have the utmost respect for Rondo
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2014, 05:49:00 PM »

Offline Donoghus

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Just depends on how you wanna define MVP.

I was one of the people that really had no qualms with Rose being named MVP the year he was.  What he did for the Bulls that season was pretty remarkable.  Lebron was probably the best player in the league that year but Rose meant more to his team than anyone else. 

Some people made it out to be a great travesty and ridiculed the Rose choice. Especially on these boards.  It really just depends on how you wanna define it.

My vote this year would probably go to Durant.


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Re: Joakim Noah: I have the utmost respect for Rondo
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2014, 06:41:01 PM »

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Obviously we have a lot of different interpretations of MVP, and everybody thinks their's is the best.  To me, MVP means most valuable player out of the whole league, not team specific.  I always looked at this from the theoretical view of if you swapped the players who are playing the best, which team would benefit the most?

Joakim Noah is more valuable to the Bulls than LeBron is to the Heat, because the Bulls would be worse off with the loss of Noah than the Heat would be with the loss of James.  While I won’t debate that, to me that doesn’t make Noah more valuable than LeBron.  Because if you swapped James and Noah, would James’s Bulls win more now than Noah’s Bulls?  I think so without a doubt.  That tells me LeBron is more valuable than Noah.

(Though granted, this method suffers when comparing players playing completely different positions, like PG and C, I think you need to take a league wide look, and not just 2 teams. Putting LeBron on all 30 teams with the way he played this year, does that make the teams better than doing the same with other top players?)

When you determine it the other way (most value to individual team), then should have Chris Bosh won in 2010? Jrue Holiday last year?  Looks like he was pretty valuable to Philly as we see the difference without him.  Why aren’t we talking about Al Jefferson for the award this year then?  Charlotte’s already up 15 wins with him with 8 games to go. Was Michael Jordan not that valuable, because when he retired the first time, the Bulls only finished with 2 less wins? 

It’s an individual award, so how good your teammates are shouldn’t really play a role in determining it.
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Re: Joakim Noah: I have the utmost respect for Rondo
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2014, 07:05:33 PM »

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Can the MVP go to a guy who isn't an alpha male scorer?  I think it can, but there are some people who think that it can't and would object to the award going to a guy who isn't even in his team's top three in PPG.
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