IF our pick is in the top 3, would you trade it?

[Spilling Green Dye]

No I would not.  Part of the marketability and excitement is the unknown of young stars and what's to come.  If you traded it for Love and the Love/Rondo combo was a .500 team in the East then you've killed all potential excitement.

Outside of Paul George, Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Durant, I don't see any other player worth a top 3 pick in this draft.  And I don't get the obsession with Kevin Love here.  He's a really nice player who puts up insane stats on a team that he's never lead to the playoffs.  Let's not overlook the fact that his defense is subpar, which as we know is a facet of basketball needed for a championship.  Love, like Rondo, would be great as the 2nd 'star' on team.  I'd only trade a top 3 for a 1st star.

[gpap]

No. I keep the pick.

The only stars potentially on the block for a pick would be Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Love.

These talented rookies come with lower contracts than the all stars, leaving the celtics with enough cap space to run down a proven star in a couple years.

Then you get to have both the young stud and the established star. That to me is worth the risk.

Absolutely keep it. God do not trade for Love or Melo. You need to build a team from within that's how OKC has done it and they'll win a title soon enough.

There's no evidence that they will. They had to bail on one of their homegrown talent and haven't been back to the Finals since.

The only team under the last pair of CBA's to win a title with homegrown talent are the Spurs and the Pistons. That's 33% of Finals victories for teams built from the ground up - and the Spurs, who account for four of them, have one of if not the best power forward of all time as a building block.

Hardly a surefire method.

Exactly. And I actually think OKC is kind of a bad example of "rebuilding through the draft."

Reason being is by the time the likes of Westbrook, Durant, Harden and Ibaka all become good enough to compete for a title, OKC didn't have enough money to keep all 4 so they dealt Harden in what was an AWFUL move.

Not to mention, like DoS mentioned, OKC hasn't even won anything yet and I am not neccasrily convinced they are going to anytime soon as they have to go through the Clippers, Spurs, Rockets, etc.

Durant is hell of a player, but so far has zilch as far as NBA titles go.

[gpap]

No I would not.  Part of the marketability and excitement is the unknown of young stars and what's to come.  If you traded it for Love and the Love/Rondo combo was a .500 team in the East then you've killed all potential excitement.

Outside of Paul George, Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Durant, I don't see any other player worth a top 3 pick in this draft.  And I don't get the obsession with Kevin Love here.  He's a really nice player who puts up insane stats on a team that he's never lead to the playoffs.  Let's not overlook the fact that his defense is subpar, which as we know is a facet of basketball needed for a championship.  Love, like Rondo, would be great as the 2nd 'star' on team.  I'd only trade a top 3 for a 1st star.

Miami, OKC, New Orleans, Indiana or any team that already has a bona fide superstar is not going to trade you their star player for a top 3 pick.

I think the top 3 picks are being really overvalued in what is looking to be (by Danny Ainge's admission) an overrated NBA draft.

There are other good players in the league that can help you win a title other than Lebron, George, Davis and Durant.

[Moranis]

No. I keep the pick.

The only stars potentially on the block for a pick would be Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Love.

These talented rookies come with lower contracts than the all stars, leaving the celtics with enough cap space to run down a proven star in a couple years.

Then you get to have both the young stud and the established star. That to me is worth the risk.

Absolutely keep it. God do not trade for Love or Melo. You need to build a team from within that's how OKC has done it and they'll win a title soon enough.

There's no evidence that they will. They had to bail on one of their homegrown talent and haven't been back to the Finals since.

The only team under the last pair of CBA's to win a title with homegrown talent are the Spurs and the Pistons. That's 33% of Finals victories for teams built from the ground up - and the Spurs, who account for four of them, have one of if not the best power forward of all time as a building block.

Hardly a surefire method.

Exactly. And I actually think OKC is kind of a bad example of "rebuilding through the draft."

Reason being is by the time the likes of Westbrook, Durant and Harden all become good enough to compete for a title, OKC didn't have enough money to keep all 3 so they dealt Harden in what was an AWFUL move.

Not to mention, like DoS mentioned, OKC hasn't even won anything yet and I am not neccasrily convinced they are going to anytime soon as they have to go through the Clippers, Spurs, Rockets, etc.

Durant is hell of a player, but so far has zilch as far as NBA titles go.

they had the money to keep all three but they stupidly signed Perk and then chose Ibaka over Harden with the thought that Martin would have been an ok 1 year replacement while Lamb developed (in addition to the other pick they got).  It didn't quite work out, but if Westbrook wasn't injured last year, who knows what might have been for them.

And frankly it is a good problem to have i.e. 4 young players all so good you want to keep them and all good enough to get solid value back in a trade. 

[wdleehi]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

[gpap]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

[wdleehi]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

[gpap]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

[wdleehi]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

Even if that was the case, the payoff of that 5th pick was smaller then one of the top 3 picks we are talking about now. 

[LilRip]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

Even if that was the case, the payoff of that 5th pick was smaller then one of the top 3 picks we are talking about now.

If i remember right, both GMs (McHale and DA) were already in agreement. The only party they were waiting for was KG coz he didn't want to be traded to a rebuilding situation and DA didn't want a 1-year rental. The Ray Allen trade pretty much told KG that the C's were going for it, and when he ok'd, then both GMs just continued with their already agreed upon deal.

So yeah, the Minny deal was more or less already in place, especially since the non-important pieces of it (Ratliff, Big Al, Telfair) remained intact from the RA deal.

[gpap]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

Even if that was the case, the payoff of that 5th pick was smaller then one of the top 3 picks we are talking about now.

Yea, I suppose. I guess if it were up to me, and I could obtain a Love, Gasol, Kyrie or Melo for the pick, I would do it.

And if anything, I think the Celts would win that trade, not the other team. Top 3 picks are always nice but they are always far from a sure thing.

Personal preference, I suppose.

I will say this though. Looking back on that deal that landed Ray and the rights to Big Baby for Delonte, Sczerbiak and the rights to Jeff Green ended up being a steal for the Celts.

I know a top 3 pick is more valuable than a number 5 pick, but if the Celts could pull off something similar, that would be great!

[wdleehi]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

Even if that was the case, the payoff of that 5th pick was smaller then one of the top 3 picks we are talking about now.

Yea, I suppose. I guess if it were up to me, and I could obtain a Love, Gasol, Kyrie or Melo for the pick, I would do it.

And if anything, I think the Celts would win that trade, not the other team. Top 3 picks are always nice but they are always far from a sure thing.

Personal preference, I suppose.

I will say this though. Looking back on that deal that landed Ray and the rights to Big Baby for Delonte, Sczerbiak and the rights to Jeff Green ended up being a steal for the Celts.

I know a top 3 pick is more valuable than a number 5 pick, but if the Celts could pull off something similar, that would be great!

Would it have still been a big "win" if the Celtics had traded the 2nd or 3rd pick of that draft? 

[CelticG1]

I would if there was a plan in mind like after we traded for Ray.

If making that move was the only real splash than i dont think its good enough and would want to pass

[gpap]

Not in a vacuum.




Now if this was just one part of multiple deals that brought the Celtics more then one star in their prime to join Rondo like when they brought in KG and Ray, I can definitely see it happening.

That would be the point. Kinda repeating what happened in 2007.

But those deals need to be in place before trading the pick.  It can't be "we hope to do this kind of follow up."

Pretty sure the KG deal with Minnesota was not already in place when they dealt for Ray Allen.

In fact, if I remember correctly, originally the Celtcs wanted to trade for KG on draft night but Garnett nixed the deal initially, so the Celts traded for Ray Allen instead.

I don't think the Ray and KG trades were perfectly outlined in advance.

Even if that was the case, the payoff of that 5th pick was smaller then one of the top 3 picks we are talking about now.

Yea, I suppose. I guess if it were up to me, and I could obtain a Love, Gasol, Kyrie or Melo for the pick, I would do it.

And if anything, I think the Celts would win that trade, not the other team. Top 3 picks are always nice but they are always far from a sure thing.

Personal preference, I suppose.

I will say this though. Looking back on that deal that landed Ray and the rights to Big Baby for Delonte, Sczerbiak and the rights to Jeff Green ended up being a steal for the Celts.

I know a top 3 pick is more valuable than a number 5 pick, but if the Celts could pull off something similar, that would be great!

Would it have still been a big "win" if the Celtics had traded the 2nd or 3rd pick of that draft?

Well revisionist history included, if it was Greg Oden, then yes it would've been (lol.)

But you raise a very good point.

If Danny was able to draft Kevin Durant on draft night, I do wonder if he still makes the deal for KG OR if he trades Paul Pierce instead, keeps all the young players (Jefferson, Delonte, Gomes, etc.) and assembles a roster that would've had a much longer life expectation than the 3 year window that Paul, KG and Ray did.

This is of course assuming that the Celts would've gone on to draft Harden and Ibaka in the following 2 years.

Of course, the flip side to that is, are any of the players in the top 3 of this year's draft projected to be as good as Durant?

It doesn't appear that Parker or Wiggins look to be THAT good.

Fun to think about.

[TwinTower14]

I always think about this - Rondo, Pierce, Durant, Jefferson and Perk would have been good enough to get a title?  What do you guys?