Mannix on WEEI this morning ( Talking Green, Bass, Love , exum, and draft)

[winsomme]

I think Mannix is trying to prepare the tankalicious crowd for the surprise of their lives when the trade deadline comes and goes and the team is constructed exactly the way it is right now.

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now. He won't do it. He makes trades to win for other objectives like long term assets, lower salary and better talent. He doesn't trade to lose games. If he wanted that he would simply tell Stevens to sit Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass and Green for the rest of the year and play everyone else.

No, the trade deadline is probably going to be very quiet in Boston and I think some of those in the know are just trying to let those who believe tank management is going to happen know that tank management isn't going to happen.

I agree that Danny doesn't want to tank, but I also think that deep down he knows that with this draft he really should.

The problem, ironically, might be that it is too late. He wanted to get the value up on his chips which I think he did in terms of the team's play. However, other GMs know that he needs to trade these chips in order to tank and aren't going to give him fair value.

I think he tried to be too clever and it has landed him in a very difficult position. Does he give away Green, Bass, and Hump for less than fair value in order to tank or does he hold onto them and cross his fingers...?

[pokeKingCurtis]

I think Mannix is trying to prepare the tankalicious crowd for the surprise of their lives when the trade deadline comes and goes and the team is constructed exactly the way it is right now.

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now. He won't do it. He makes trades to win for other objectives like long term assets, lower salary and better talent. He doesn't trade to lose games. If he wanted that he would simply tell Stevens to sit Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass and Green for the rest of the year and play everyone else.

No, the trade deadline is probably going to be very quiet in Boston and I think some of those in the know are just trying to let those who believe tank management is going to happen know that tank management isn't going to happen.

Very well said.

We absolutely shouldn't sell low on Bass. Its not like he has a bad contract...and it also expires after next season. I get that he isn't optimal to our current situation (a rebuild), but if we don't get something good for him, why trade him? I don't think Bass alone makes the difference between us getting a top 5 pick vs. a top 10 pick (luck also matters a lot with those ping pong balls).

Lol.. "shouldn't sell low on Bass".   This isn't low.  He's playing as well as he's ever played.  Ultimately, Bass should be a backup big.  He was brought in here to replace Glen Davis off the bench... not be our starting PF.  If we can get anything of value for him, it's a win.

We bought low. Doesn't mean we HAVE to sell low. The best case scenario for many many first rounders is Bass.

[Smitty77]

Bass for Perry Jones (OKC) and their exception???:-))))

Smitty77

[D.o.s.]

I think Mannix is trying to prepare the tankalicious crowd for the surprise of their lives when the trade deadline comes and goes and the team is constructed exactly the way it is right now.

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now. He won't do it. He makes trades to win for other objectives like long term assets, lower salary and better talent. He doesn't trade to lose games. If he wanted that he would simply tell Stevens to sit Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass and Green for the rest of the year and play everyone else.

No, the trade deadline is probably going to be very quiet in Boston and I think some of those in the know are just trying to let those who believe tank management is going to happen know that tank management isn't going to happen.

I actually take a different appraisal from a quiet deadline. You think it's to placate the tankers. I think it's to prep the "we're one star away" folks from being let down.

Our team is bad. If the roster stays the same, we'll still be bad. Likely, we'll end up in the lottery, most likely with a guaranteed top 7 pick. I fail to see how that's not the end goal of tanking a season.

The fact that Ainge doesn't need to trade away players in order to have an abysmal season speaks more to his roster construction in the last off-season than the fact that he's not trying to intentionally lose games  - this season's team has been built to lose games since it's inception.

edit--I still maintain that Mannix is a mouthbreather.

[nickagneta]

I think Mannix is trying to prepare the tankalicious crowd for the surprise of their lives when the trade deadline comes and goes and the team is constructed exactly the way it is right now.

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now. He won't do it. He makes trades to win for other objectives like long term assets, lower salary and better talent. He doesn't trade to lose games. If he wanted that he would simply tell Stevens to sit Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass and Green for the rest of the year and play everyone else.

No, the trade deadline is probably going to be very quiet in Boston and I think some of those in the know are just trying to let those who believe tank management is going to happen know that tank management isn't going to happen.

I actually take a different appraisal from a quiet deadline. You think it's to placate the tankers. I think it's to prep the "we're one star away" folks from being let down.

Our team is bad. If the roster stays the same, we'll still be bad. Likely, we'll end up in the lottery, most likely with a guaranteed top 7 pick. I fail to see how that's not the end goal of tanking a season.

The fact that Ainge doesn't need to trade away players in order to have an abysmal season speaks more to his roster construction in the last off-season than the fact that he's not trying to intentionally lose games  - this season's team has been built to lose games since it's inception.

edit--I still maintain that Mannix is a mouthbreather.

Umm..I am not sure where you get that I think a quiet season is because Danny is trying to placate tankers. Not sure I said that at all and I know Ithe thought never came to my mind.

What I said is that Mannix might be trying to let tankers know that there might be a quiet deadline.

That's it. That's pretty much all that is relevant in what I said.

What I think a quiet deadline means is really simple, I think it means Danny just never found a trade he liked that would net him either a better player in return, a better asset in return(draft pick, or a player that provides better future financial flexibility.

That's what I think a quiet deadline means.

[D.o.s.]

Right, we're both talking about the same thing. I didn't mean to imply Ainge was trying to placate tankers, but that Chris Mannix was.

Should've put "reporting on a quiet deadline" in my first sentence. My B.

[vjcsmoke]

Question - Can't guys like Stoudemire and Crash be amnestied or do their contracts not qualify for some reason?  I remember some huge contracts being amnestied last season.

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Love.  We'd have to give up a lot, and then sign him to a max deal.  Is Love worth a max deal when Sully is younger and way cheaper?

[ssspence]

Bass for Perry Jones (OKC) and their exception???:-))))

Smitty77

exceptions can't be combined with players.

[BballTim]

Question - Can't guys like Stoudemire and Crash be amnestied or do their contracts not qualify for some reason?  I remember some huge contracts being amnestied last season.

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Love.  We'd have to give up a lot, and then sign him to a max deal.  Is Love worth a max deal when Sully is younger and way cheaper?

  You can't amnesty players who signed contracts under the new CBA and you can't amnesty players if you didn't sign them to the contract. Another team signed Wallace to the deal so we can't amnesty him.

[Smitty77]

Bass for Perry Jones (OKC) and their exception???:-))))

Smitty77

exceptions can't be combined with players.

Thanks sspence.

[D.o.s.]

Question - Can't guys like Stoudemire and Crash be amnestied or do their contracts not qualify for some reason?  I remember some huge contracts being amnestied last season.

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Love.  We'd have to give up a lot, and then sign him to a max deal.  Is Love worth a max deal when Sully is younger and way cheaper?

  You can't amnesty players who signed contracts under the new CBA and you can't amnesty players if you didn't sign them to the contract. Another team signed Wallace to the deal so we can't amnesty him.

And the Knicks can't amnesty A'mare because they used their amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups to sign Tyson Chandler.

Which wasn't stupid. I swear.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Question - Can't guys like Stoudemire and Crash be amnestied or do their contracts not qualify for some reason?  I remember some huge contracts being amnestied last season.

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Love.  We'd have to give up a lot, and then sign him to a max deal.  Is Love worth a max deal when Sully is younger and way cheaper?

  You can't amnesty players who signed contracts under the new CBA and you can't amnesty players if you didn't sign them to the contract. Another team signed Wallace to the deal so we can't amnesty him.

And the Knicks can't amnesty A'mare because they used their amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups to sign Tyson Chandler.

Which wasn't stupid. I swear.

Hi Dolan

[D.o.s.]

I mean, at least you can kind of see the logic. Melo A'Mare Chandler would've been a hell of a front court if things had broken right (or, rather, not broken at all).

[Snakehead]

I mean, at least you can kind of see the logic. Melo A'Mare Chandler would've been a hell of a front court if things had broken right (or, rather, not broken at all).

I've been feeling bad for Amare lately.  I had to really remind myself it was him there, a player I used to really love to watch play.  That first year on the Knicks there was a lot of hope for him there.

[moiso]

I mean, at least you can kind of see the logic. Melo A'Mare Chandler would've been a hell of a front court if things had broken right (or, rather, not broken at all).

I've been feeling bad for Amare lately.  I had to really remind myself it was him there, a player I used to really love to watch play.  That first year on the Knicks there was a lot of hope for him there.

Amare has been playing pretty well this year.  He says he is healthy; D'antoni just doesn't play him many minutes.