Mannix on WEEI this morning ( Talking Green, Bass, Love , exum, and draft)

[colincb]

Sam Amico weighs in on Bass

Comment From GeorgeGeorge: ]
Do your sources indicate that Brandon Bass will be traded? he could be a good role player for a number of teams. who do your sources indicate have interest?

Wednesday February 12, 2014 12:29 George
12:29 FOX Sports Ohio: All I've heard on Bass is yes ... and the Warriors. Although one GM said he's heard the Thunder, too, which I found interesting.

hmmmm

well okc has a 6.5 mil trade exception from kevin Martin

Guess we could get that and one of the last picks in the 1st rd for Bass?

would love to give up Bass to get Harrison Barnes...that then makes either Green/Wallace expendable

I've seen the Clippers also mentioned for Bass (maybe swapped for Dudley who's supposedly being dangled) which makes sense. Clippers PF backup Jamison seems to finally hit the skids while Dudley's not getting the touches he usually has and his numbers are dowm. Bass is a better overall player (PROVE IT!!! CAN'T BE TRUE!!), but we've got a backlog at PF, are a little light at SF (and SG), and Doc knows what Bass can do.  Dudley's $2.5 million cheaper, but has 2 years left after this season vs Bass's 1 for those focused on 2015.

[LarBrd33]

Prediction:  Bass, Bogans, and Bradley go, Green and Wallace stay.

Wallace may be waived with stretch provision in the offseason after an attempt to showcase him after the Bass trade fails to salvage his career.

Wallace is not getting waived this offseason.  That would be foolish of Danny to create $4 million of dead cap space for each of the next five years.

I'd look at is as creating $6M of space in 2014 and 2015. 

We can afford the $4M hit because we can have 1/3 of the roster on rookie contracts for the next 4 years as well.

Next year's cheap roster filler can include 2 new draft picks plus Colton Iverson, in addition to current cheap contracts Johnson and Pressey, plus Vitor, Sully, and KO on their rookie deals.

That's half of the roster getting paid relative peanuts.  That extra $6M in space can be used for the top of the roster.

Explain how the stretch provision works.  how could we use that on Wallace?

[Chief]

We absolutely shouldn't sell low on Bass. Its not like he has a bad contract...and it also expires after next season. I get that he isn't optimal to our current situation (a rebuild), but if we don't get something good for him, why trade him? I don't think Bass alone makes the difference between us getting a top 5 pick vs. a top 10 pick (luck also matters a lot with those ping pong balls).

Lol.. "shouldn't sell low on Bass".   This isn't low.  He's playing as well as he's ever played.  Ultimately, Bass should be a backup big.  He was brought in here to replace Glen Davis off the bench... not be our starting PF.  If we can get anything of value for him, it's a win.

tp

[Evantime34]

Prediction:  Bass, Bogans, and Bradley go, Green and Wallace stay.

Wallace may be waived with stretch provision in the offseason after an attempt to showcase him after the Bass trade fails to salvage his career.

Wallace is not getting waived this offseason.  That would be foolish of Danny to create $4 million of dead cap space for each of the next five years.

I'd look at is as creating $6M of space in 2014 and 2015. 

We can afford the $4M hit because we can have 1/3 of the roster on rookie contracts for the next 4 years as well.

Next year's cheap roster filler can include 2 new draft picks plus Colton Iverson, in addition to current cheap contracts Johnson and Pressey, plus Vitor, Sully, and KO on their rookie deals.

That's half of the roster getting paid relative peanuts.  That extra $6M in space can be used for the top of the roster.

Explain how the stretch provision works.  how could we use that on Wallace?

You take the remaining salary and spread it out over double the years left.

[Monkhouse]

Prediction:  Bass, Bogans, and Bradley go, Green and Wallace stay.

Wallace may be waived with stretch provision in the offseason after an attempt to showcase him after the Bass trade fails to salvage his career.

Wallace is not getting waived this offseason.  That would be foolish of Danny to create $4 million of dead cap space for each of the next five years.

I'd look at is as creating $6M of space in 2014 and 2015. 

We can afford the $4M hit because we can have 1/3 of the roster on rookie contracts for the next 4 years as well.

Next year's cheap roster filler can include 2 new draft picks plus Colton Iverson, in addition to current cheap contracts Johnson and Pressey, plus Vitor, Sully, and KO on their rookie deals.

That's half of the roster getting paid relative peanuts.  That extra $6M in space can be used for the top of the roster.

Explain how the stretch provision works.  how could we use that on Wallace?

In the NBA, you can use the stretch provision, which helps teams get rid of players on big deals that aren't performing as well. It can only be used on new contracts, so I don't know if DA has to use it this year? Anyways... you buy out the player, and then stretch his contracts out for the double length of his deal plus one deal. So lets say Wallace gets bought out, and stretched, he'll be owed around 5 years, but his cap hit will only be around 3 or 4. I don't remember exact numbers, I'm typing this on my phone lol!

[slamtheking]

A slow trade deadline for the C's wouldn't be a real surprise.  The one asset we have that makes sense to move before the deadline is Hump.  Big expiring deal that we couldn't move after the season ended. 

Everyone else is still a good trade asset after the season ends.  At that point, teams will know where/who they're drafting and can better assess if it would be to their advantage to take on Bass in the last year of his deal or Green with only 2 years left.  Sadly, I don't think Wallace is movable until he's actually an expiring deal but since we're not contending until then, that's not really a big issue.

[Chief Macho]

I agree on after the #5 pick, the draft is sketchy..
Top 5 (in no order}

Wiggins
Parker
Smart
Exum
Embrid

I watch every Arizona game, Aaron Gordon is legit.   And Julius Randle wouldn't be too risky either.

[heyvik]

Sam Amico weighs in on Bass

Comment From GeorgeGeorge: ]
Do your sources indicate that Brandon Bass will be traded? he could be a good role player for a number of teams. who do your sources indicate have interest?

Wednesday February 12, 2014 12:29 George
12:29 FOX Sports Ohio: All I've heard on Bass is yes ... and the Warriors. Although one GM said he's heard the Thunder, too, which I found interesting.

hmmmm

well okc has a 6.5 mil trade exception from kevin Martin

Guess we could get that and one of the last picks in the 1st rd for Bass?

would love to give up Bass to get Harrison Barnes...that then makes either Green/Wallace expendable

I've seen the Clippers also mentioned for Bass (maybe swapped for Dudley who's supposedly being dangled) which makes sense. Clippers PF backup Jamison seems to finally hit the skids while Dudley's not getting the touches he usually has and his numbers are dowm. Bass is a better overall player (PROVE IT!!! CAN'T BE TRUE!!), but we've got a backlog at PF, are a little light at SF (and SG), and Doc knows what Bass can do.  Dudley's $2.5 million cheaper, but has 2 years left after this season vs Bass's 1 for those focused on 2015.

Per NBA rules (more like Stern), we can't trade with LA Clippers until the start of the 2014 NBA draft season starts..or something like that.

[chambers]

I think Mannix is trying to prepare the tankalicious crowd for the surprise of their lives when the trade deadline comes and goes and the team is constructed exactly the way it is right now.

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now. He won't do it. He makes trades to win for other objectives like long term assets, lower salary and better talent. He doesn't trade to lose games. If he wanted that he would simply tell Stevens to sit Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass and Green for the rest of the year and play everyone else.

No, the trade deadline is probably going to be very quiet in Boston and I think some of those in the know are just trying to let those who believe tank management is going to happen know that tank management isn't going to happen.

It's not about tanking, it's about clearing roster space for a 2015 free agent run. Green's option in 2015-16 is killer because he'll 99% take the money and Ainge will want that salary gone as soon as possible. If Ainge doesn't move his deal now, it's going to be harder to move because of that player option. Then Ainge will be between a rock and a hard place deciding whether to re-sign Green for a smaller extension to make his deal easier to move, or just give him up as an expiring in 2015-16. Having Green ultimately (IMO) makes it harder to convince Rondo to stay because that 9 million is worth so much to the cap.
The benefit of moving this salary is we also lose more games in a stacked draft.
I think it's hard to imagine nothing happening at the deadline when Ainge clearly doesn't want to make the playoffs with a team of scrubs +Rondo+Sully. That draft pick is worth so much and it sounds like you're undervaluing it. That being said the 'tankalicous' crowd probably over values it too.

[ssspence]

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now.

Danny Ainge is not make trades with the end objective of winning games in the here and now, either.

[colincb]

Sam Amico weighs in on Bass

Comment From GeorgeGeorge: ]
Do your sources indicate that Brandon Bass will be traded? he could be a good role player for a number of teams. who do your sources indicate have interest?

Wednesday February 12, 2014 12:29 George
12:29 FOX Sports Ohio: All I've heard on Bass is yes ... and the Warriors. Although one GM said he's heard the Thunder, too, which I found interesting.

hmmmm

well okc has a 6.5 mil trade exception from kevin Martin

Guess we could get that and one of the last picks in the 1st rd for Bass?

would love to give up Bass to get Harrison Barnes...that then makes either Green/Wallace expendable

I've seen the Clippers also mentioned for Bass (maybe swapped for Dudley who's supposedly being dangled) which makes sense. Clippers PF backup Jamison seems to finally hit the skids while Dudley's not getting the touches he usually has and his numbers are dowm. Bass is a better overall player (PROVE IT!!! CAN'T BE TRUE!!), but we've got a backlog at PF, are a little light at SF (and SG), and Doc knows what Bass can do.  Dudley's $2.5 million cheaper, but has 2 years left after this season vs Bass's 1 for those focused on 2015.

Per NBA rules (more like Stern), we can't trade with LA Clippers until the start of the 2014 NBA draft season starts..or something like that.

The Cs couldn't have a side deal that was contingent on the Rivers deal.  I think they would have a strong case that this deal was unrelated.

[manl_lui]

I agree on after the #5 pick, the draft is sketchy..
Top 5 (in no order}

Wiggins
Parker
Smart
Exum
Embrid

I watch every Arizona game, Aaron Gordon is legit.   And Julius Randle wouldn't be too risky either.

yea, I wouldn't say after 5 is sketchy either. Draft has a lot of safe picks from 1-10

[nickagneta]

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now.

Danny Ainge is not make trades with the end objective of winning games in the here and now, either.

Very true but that doesn't make my point any less valid. Danny isn't going to trade Green Bass or anyone else simply to try to lose games. He could just instruct his coach not to play those players if he wanted to do that. He will trade them for better financial flexibility or future assets but he is not going to give away players simply to lose games now.

[D.o.s.]

Chris Mannix is kind of a mouth-breather.

[ssspence]

Danny Ainge does not make trades to have an end objective of losing games in the here and now.

Danny Ainge is not make trades with the end objective of winning games in the here and now, either.

Very true but that doesn't make my point any less valid. Danny isn't going to trade Green Bass or anyone else simply to try to lose games. He could just instruct his coach not to play those players if he wanted to do that. He will trade them for better financial flexibility or future assets but he is not going to give away players simply to lose games now.

Sure. I agree with that. I just think there's a fairly large underestimation on this blog of Ainge's desire to dump salary.

Is he going to try to get good deals with picks and decent players? Sure. If he can't? I think he's going to dump a couple of guys (if he's lucky enough to find expirings) -- whether at the deadline, or if possible at the draft. Time will tell.

Regardless, he's definitely not trading apples for apples on mid-level vets to try to win games in the near future.... as we know, since he's said it already.