Danny wants to build around rondo, green,sully (rumor)

[kozlodoev]

This limbo we're in doesn't seem half bad when you put it that way. I'm not really looking forward to discussing the merits of Walker. For one thing, he's going to be 30 soon.

:-D

[sofutomygaha]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just desperate to talk about basketball right now and this seems to be where the most chatter is. =(

We have a week to wag our tongues, then in one masterful stroke Ainge will get rid by everyone not named Jeff Green, and we'll all have to shift to a different plane of discussion. One where we're discussing the merits of Kemba Walker and Greg Monroe as long-term building blocks.

This limbo we're in doesn't seem half bad when you put it that way. I'm not really looking forward to discussing the merits of Walker. For one thing, he's going to be 30 soon.

Also, Greg Monroe is utterly one-dimensional!

[BballTim]

makes sense, 3 good all around players, 1 being a upper level player
add in a scary draft pick and sign a top notch free agent and that is a contender

Neither Rondo nor Sullinger are anything close to "good all around players".

I hope you're saying they're better than that. No?

Perhaps you need to check the definition of "all-around"? You're talking about a guard who can't make threes or free throws, and a big who doesn't really block or challenge shots. No matter how good you consider these two players to be, they're not "all-around" due to the fact that you need to alter your game plan to cover for the things they don't do well.

  The Celts generally alter their game plan for Rondo by having players convert a majority of the easy shots he gets for his teammates.

[sofutomygaha]

IT'S BACK ON

[BballTim]

If "good all around players" means "good at everything" then there's only a couple of good all-around players in the league. Won't be seeing any bad defenders/passers/rebounders/ballhandlers on the list either, I would imagine.

To be a "good all around player" you first have to be an all around player. And in my view, you can't be one when there are critical aspects of your game (relative to your position) that are embarrassingly bad.

Illustrative example include Rondo's three point and free throw shooting, Bradley's ball handling, and to a lesser extent Sullinger's shot blocking.

  Imagine rating players from 1-10 in multiple categories. One of them's 8 or higher in most and 2-3 in a couple. Most of them are 7-8 in a couple and 4-5 or so in the rest. Who's better all around is pretty arbitrary I suppose.

[BballTim]

your wording was neither rondo or sully are anything close (repeat that) to being good all around players

So you think that a guard that shoots 25% on threes an 62% on free throws is close to being an all around player then?

  At or near the top of the league at pretty much everything else, don't forget that part.

[ssspence]

I don't buy that Ainge wants to build around any of them, just as I don't buy that any team wants to build around three players.

GMs want to build around one great player. Every one of them. There's basically three teams with a shot at a title this year: Miami, OKC and Indiana. They each have one of the three best players in the league.

I buy that Ainge intends to keep Rondo and Sully from the current team, over others currently on the roster. Green, not so much.

I also know that Ainge would trade any of them -- or indeed all of them -- to get a franchise player.

[freshinthehouse]

And in my view, you can't be one when there are critical aspects of your game (relative to your position) that are embarrassingly bad.

Illustrative example include Rondo's three point and free throw shooting, Bradley's ball handling, and to a lesser extent Sullinger's shot blocking.

This.  Calling a point guard that shoots free throws at a Chris Dudley-esque level a good all around player is silly.  He is fantastic at what he does, but he has some alarming holes in his game. 

[Nerf DPOY]

I buy that Ainge intends to keep Rondo and Sully from the current team, over others currently on the roster. Green, not so much.

I also know that Ainge would trade any of them -- or indeed all of them -- to get a franchise player.

That's why all of these general questions "Would you trade Rondo?" "Would you trade our pick?" seem like a waste of time to me usually. Well, for what? I guess the answer is yes, depending on what was offered. A team in Boston's position shouldn't be closed off to moving anyone.

I disagree with you about OKC being the only true contender out West, but that's another story.

[RAcker]

I don't buy that Ainge wants to build around any of them, just as I don't buy that any team wants to build around three players.

GMs want to build around one great player. Every one of them. There's basically three teams with a shot at a title this year: Miami, OKC and Indiana. They each have one of the three best players in the league.

I buy that Ainge intends to keep Rondo and Sully from the current team, over others currently on the roster. Green, not so much.

I also know that Ainge would trade any of them -- or indeed all of them -- to get a franchise player.

You hit the nail on the head.  Ainge will trade anyone that is not a Top 5 player in the league...maybe Top 3 depending on the year. 

It all depends so much on what building blocks you bring in for such a trade. We all remember when Al Jefferson seemed like a building block but as much as I love Big Al, he was never going to be a Top 5 impact player and Danny landed Garnett by using him in a trade.

We are way too early in the rebuild to say anything is off limits with this particular roster.  Rondo and Sully are great to have, but they might be just as great to package and deal if the return package is right.

This is what is so fun about being where we are as opposed to where GM's are right now.  We can spout off endlessly and there will be no real consequences except for one of these  .

[BballTim]

And in my view, you can't be one when there are critical aspects of your game (relative to your position) that are embarrassingly bad.

Illustrative example include Rondo's three point and free throw shooting, Bradley's ball handling, and to a lesser extent Sullinger's shot blocking.

This.  Calling a point guard that shoots free throws at a Chris Dudley-esque level a good all around player is silly.  He is fantastic at what he does, but he has some alarming holes in his game.

  His FT% is closer to LeBron or Tony Parker than he is to Dudley.

[LooseCannon]

I wonder how people feel about trade ideas for Andre Drummond and his sub-Dudley free-throw shooting.

[BballTim]

I don't buy that Ainge wants to build around any of them, just as I don't buy that any team wants to build around three players.

GMs want to build around one great player. Every one of them. There's basically three teams with a shot at a title this year: Miami, OKC and Indiana. They each have one of the three best players in the league.

I buy that Ainge intends to keep Rondo and Sully from the current team, over others currently on the roster. Green, not so much.

I also know that Ainge would trade any of them -- or indeed all of them -- to get a franchise player.

  I don't think George is one of the three best players in the league. But in any case, every GM would love to build their team around LeBron or Durant. If they don't have that option they choose the best of all the plans that are available. Every team aside for OKC and Miami would probably trade anyone on their roster for LeBron or Durant. That doesn't mean they don't want to build around some of the players that they have on their rosters.

[BballTim]

I wonder how people feel about trade ideas for Andre Drummond and his sub-Dudley free-throw shooting.

  Or his Perk-esque play on offense in the half court.

[D.o.s.]

I don't buy that Ainge wants to build around any of them, just as I don't buy that any team wants to build around three players.

GMs want to build around one great player. Every one of them. There's basically three teams with a shot at a title this year: Miami, OKC and Indiana. They each have one of the three best players in the league.

I buy that Ainge intends to keep Rondo and Sully from the current team, over others currently on the roster. Green, not so much.

I also know that Ainge would trade any of them -- or indeed all of them -- to get a franchise player.

Now that is some grade A overblown Paul George jock riding right there.