Danny wants to build around rondo, green,sully (rumor)

[Fafnir]

I think it still remains to be seen if either Sullinger or Rondo are good defenders, although I'm too busy to check their defensive numbers from this year right now.

  Rondo's got about 7 years of better than average numbers to go along with his 4 years on all-defense teams. He has a couple of top 5 finishes for DPOY as well. Aside from all of that, it's a close call.

The issue with Rondo is he wasn't a plus defender his last healthy year. Wasn't putting the effort in consistently, in my view because of the huge burden on him offensively.

Add to that his injury and I'm not sure we're see all-defense Rondo again consistently.

[BballTim]

makes sense, 3 good all around players, 1 being a upper level player
add in a scary draft pick and sign a top notch free agent and that is a contender

Neither Rondo nor Sullinger are anything close to "good all around players".

I hope you're saying they're better than that. No?

Perhaps you need to check the definition of "all-around"? You're talking about a guard who can't make threes or free throws, and a big who doesn't really block or challenge shots. No matter how good you consider these two players to be, they're not "all-around" due to the fact that you need to alter your game plan to cover for the things they don't do well.

  If "good all around players" means "good at everything" then there's only a couple of good all-around players in the league. Won't be seeing any bad defenders/passers/rebounders/ballhandlers on the list either, I would imagine.

[D.o.s.]

I think it still remains to be seen if either Sullinger or Rondo are good defenders, although I'm too busy to check their defensive numbers from this year right now.

  Rondo's got about 7 years of better than average numbers to go along with his 4 years on all-defense teams. He has a couple of top 5 finishes for DPOY as well. Aside from all of that, it's a close call.

The issue with Rondo is he wasn't a plus defender his last healthy year. Wasn't putting the effort in consistently, in my view because of the huge burden on him offensively.

Add to that his injury and I'm not sure we're see all-defense Rondo again consistently.

That sums up my feelings as well.

[2short]

makes sense, 3 good all around players, 1 being a upper level player
add in a scary draft pick and sign a top notch free agent and that is a contender

Neither Rondo nor Sullinger are anything close to "good all around players".

wow
sully good passer, very good rebounder, good scorer, good defender
rondo great passer, very good rebounder for guard, good scorer, good-very good defender

Agree. Kozlo I think you're trying a little too hard to be provocative. Rondo is definitely a very good two-way player, and Sullinger is definitely close to being one or at least on the path to becoming one. It's probably early to talk about whether Sullinger is a good defender, but there's certainly no evidence that he is below average (which for a 2nd year power forward is very positive). The Celtics defense is above-average and it improves when he is on the floor

I'm not trying to be provocative. That both Rondo and Sullinger have game-altering flaws which force you to figure out how to actively cover for them is a fact. That you choose to ignore this is not my problem.

your wording was neither rondo or sully are anything close (repeat that) to being good all around players

[BballTim]

I think it still remains to be seen if either Sullinger or Rondo are good defenders, although I'm too busy to check their defensive numbers from this year right now.

  Rondo's got about 7 years of better than average numbers to go along with his 4 years on all-defense teams. He has a couple of top 5 finishes for DPOY as well. Aside from all of that, it's a close call.

The issue with Rondo is he wasn't a plus defender his last healthy year. Wasn't putting the effort in consistently, in my view because of the huge burden on him offensively.

Add to that his injury and I'm not sure we're see all-defense Rondo again consistently.

  It's too soon to say he won't be all-defense again, most people are in their mid-20s before they start making the teams at all. And I'll stay with my statement, if he checks his numbers he'll see that, while they aren't as stellar as usual, they were still better than average.

[bleedGREENdon]

Rondo
Green
Melo
Sully
Embiid


Contenders for the next 4-5 years.

[Nerf DPOY]

Rondo
Green
Melo
Sully
Embiid


Contenders for the next 4-5 years.

And likely impossible.

[sofutomygaha]

makes sense, 3 good all around players, 1 being a upper level player
add in a scary draft pick and sign a top notch free agent and that is a contender

Neither Rondo nor Sullinger are anything close to "good all around players".

I hope you're saying they're better than that. No?

Perhaps you need to check the definition of "all-around"? You're talking about a guard who can't make threes or free throws, and a big who doesn't really block or challenge shots. No matter how good you consider these two players to be, they're not "all-around" due to the fact that you need to alter your game plan to cover for the things they don't do well.

  If "good all around players" means "good at everything" then there's only a couple of good all-around players in the league. Won't be seeing any bad defenders/passers/rebounders/ballhandlers on the list either, I would imagine.

Fun game. Ok let's do the all-stars. Noah, Hibbert, and Howard aren't very good all-around players because they can't shoot. Curry, Harden, Love, and Lillard aren't very good all-around players because they can't play defense. Wade is a bad outside shooter. Kyrie Irving can't go right; he's practically half a player...

[kozlodoev]

If "good all around players" means "good at everything" then there's only a couple of good all-around players in the league. Won't be seeing any bad defenders/passers/rebounders/ballhandlers on the list either, I would imagine.

To be a "good all around player" you first have to be an all around player. And in my view, you can't be one when there are critical aspects of your game (relative to your position) that are embarrassingly bad.

Illustrative example include Rondo's three point and free throw shooting, Bradley's ball handling, and to a lesser extent Sullinger's shot blocking.

[kozlodoev]

your wording was neither rondo or sully are anything close (repeat that) to being good all around players

So you think that a guard that shoots 25% on threes an 62% on free throws is close to being an all around player then?

[Nerf DPOY]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

[sofutomygaha]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just desperate to talk about basketball right now and this seems to be where the most chatter is. =(

[kozlodoev]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just desperate to talk about basketball right now and this seems to be where the most chatter is. =(

We have a week to wag our tongues, then in one masterful stroke Ainge will get rid by everyone not named Jeff Green, and we'll all have to shift to a different plane of discussion. One where we're discussing the merits of Kemba Walker and Greg Monroe as long-term building blocks.

(see, now I'm trying to be provocative)

[sofutomygaha]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just desperate to talk about basketball right now and this seems to be where the most chatter is. =(

We have a week to wag our tongues, then in one masterful stroke Ainge will get rid by everyone not named Jeff Green, and we'll all have to shift to a different plane of discussion. One where we're discussing the merits of Kemba Walker and Greg Monroe as long-term building blocks.

(see, now I'm trying to be provokative)

Haha. Well said. I can't wait =)

[Nerf DPOY]

I can't believe the mileage this choice of words has gotten.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just desperate to talk about basketball right now and this seems to be where the most chatter is. =(

We have a week to wag our tongues, then in one masterful stroke Ainge will get rid by everyone not named Jeff Green, and we'll all have to shift to a different plane of discussion. One where we're discussing the merits of Kemba Walker and Greg Monroe as long-term building blocks.

This limbo we're in doesn't seem half bad when you put it that way. I'm not really looking forward to discussing the merits of Walker. For one thing, he's going to be 30 soon.