Aaron Gordon or Noah Vonleh?

[Tr1boy]

I saw Noah vonleh play again last night. He is a pretty awesome player. His offense was dominant when he actually got the ball, including hitting a couple 3 pointers. It's too bad his Indiana teammates are terrible, and want to hog the ball instead of feeding the post.

Between these 2 players i had been liking Gordon, but now i think vonleh is ahead of him, and could crack the top 5.

Vonleh has a real position in the nba. Center or pf. Prob better as a center. His body transformation from hs to 1st college is pretty substantial. So one would assume he would get a beast body by next year

With gordon like many have said, has a sf body but pf game but with little to no post game and lack of consistent jump shot. So there are concerns. But if he gets chosen by the right team/situation there shouldnt alot to worry about. For example he would be a nice fit on the celts if sully and KO are pegged as our future frontcourt duo. KO is a pf but has sf skills, sully has skills on the perimeter and can hide Gordons deficiencies. And on the other hand gordon can help these guys with rebounding and shot blocking capabilities

[hardlyyardley]

Vonleh's game at this stage of development = Lamarcus Aldridge

[BleedGreen1989]

I saw Noah vonleh play again last night. He is a pretty awesome player. His offense was dominant when he actually got the ball, including hitting a couple 3 pointers. It's too bad his Indiana teammates are terrible, and want to hog the ball instead of feeding the post.

Between these 2 players i had been liking Gordon, but now i think vonleh is ahead of him, and could crack the top 5.

Vonleh has a real position in the nba. Center or pf. Prob better as a center. His body transformation from hs to 1st college is pretty substantial. So one would assume he would get a beast body by next year

With gordon like many have said, has a sf body but pf game but with little to no post game and lack of consistent jump shot. So there are concerns. But if he gets chosen by the right team/situation there shouldnt alot to worry about. For example he would be a nice fit on the celts if sully and KO are pegged as our future frontcourt duo. KO is a pf but has sf skills, sully has skills on the perimeter and can hide Gordons deficiencies. And on the other hand gordon can help these guys with rebounding and shot blocking capabilities

Am I the only one who sees some Chris Bosh in Noah?

I know we're all hoping for the big 3, but this kid could end up being one hell of a consolation prize.

[Chris]

I saw Noah vonleh play again last night. He is a pretty awesome player. His offense was dominant when he actually got the ball, including hitting a couple 3 pointers. It's too bad his Indiana teammates are terrible, and want to hog the ball instead of feeding the post.

Between these 2 players i had been liking Gordon, but now i think vonleh is ahead of him, and could crack the top 5.

Vonleh has a real position in the nba. Center or pf. Prob better as a center. His body transformation from hs to 1st college is pretty substantial. So one would assume he would get a beast body by next year

With gordon like many have said, has a sf body but pf game but with little to no post game and lack of consistent jump shot. So there are concerns. But if he gets chosen by the right team/situation there shouldnt alot to worry about. For example he would be a nice fit on the celts if sully and KO are pegged as our future frontcourt duo. KO is a pf but has sf skills, sully has skills on the perimeter and can hide Gordons deficiencies. And on the other hand gordon can help these guys with rebounding and shot blocking capabilities

Am I the only one who sees some Chris Bosh in Noah?

I know we're all hoping for the big 3, but this kid could end up being one hell of a consolation prize.

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck. 

Part of the reason Bosh is so good is because he is really long.  He is basically a 7 footer who moves like a small forward.  If Vonleh is closer to a 6'10" guy moving like a small forward, it can make a big difference. 

[kozlodoev]

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck.

Vonleh measured 6'9.75 in shoes last season, and he may still be growing too, given that he's one of the youngest players in the draft. He has grown 2+ inches and added 50 lbs between 2011 and 2013.

The problem will be whether he can master the defensive intricacies of real NBA action. With Sullinger and Olynyk manning the PF slot, we can't afford any shortcuts there.

Also, Gordon is shooting 41% from the foul line  . I think I'll pass.

[Snakehead]

Vonleh's game at this stage of development = Lamarcus Aldridge

This is who he reminds me of a bit.  I don't agree with Bosh because I don't quite think the length and height and skill are there.  Bosh was the only guy to remind me of KG since KG.

I like LA comparison because he's that kind of rebounder, has a more solid body for post ups and jump shots, shows some skill shooting.

[Chris]

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck.

Vonleh measured 6'9.75 in shoes last season, and he may still be growing too, given that he's one of the youngest players in the draft. He also weighed in at 245, which is pretty decent given that he doesn't look to be packing a lot of body fat.

The problem will be whether he can master the defensive intricacies of real NBA action. With Sullinger and Olynyk manning the PF slot, we can't afford any shortcuts there.

I generally don't trust heights in shoes, or heights from anywhere but the combine.  But even given that measurement, he measured 1 3/4 inches shorter than Bosh in shoes.  That is a big difference.  It doesn't mean he is undersized at PF, that is probably about average.  But it means he wouldn't have that advantage, which is part of what makes Bosh so good. 

[kozlodoev]

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck.

Vonleh measured 6'9.75 in shoes last season, and he may still be growing too, given that he's one of the youngest players in the draft. He also weighed in at 245, which is pretty decent given that he doesn't look to be packing a lot of body fat.

The problem will be whether he can master the defensive intricacies of real NBA action. With Sullinger and Olynyk manning the PF slot, we can't afford any shortcuts there.

I generally don't trust heights in shoes, or heights from anywhere but the combine.  But even given that measurement, he measured 1 3/4 inches shorter than Bosh in shoes.  That is a big difference.  It doesn't mean he is undersized at PF, that is probably about average.  But it means he wouldn't have that advantage, which is part of what makes Bosh so good.

He's grown a lot since 2011 and given his age, he may not be done yet either. I guess we'll just have to wait for the combine.

Also, he's full 20 lbs heavier than Bosh, and given his body type this probably indicates more strength.

[BleedGreen1989]

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck.

Vonleh measured 6'9.75 in shoes last season, and he may still be growing too, given that he's one of the youngest players in the draft. He also weighed in at 245, which is pretty decent given that he doesn't look to be packing a lot of body fat.

The problem will be whether he can master the defensive intricacies of real NBA action. With Sullinger and Olynyk manning the PF slot, we can't afford any shortcuts there.

I generally don't trust heights in shoes, or heights from anywhere but the combine.  But even given that measurement, he measured 1 3/4 inches shorter than Bosh in shoes.  That is a big difference.  It doesn't mean he is undersized at PF, that is probably about average.  But it means he wouldn't have that advantage, which is part of what makes Bosh so good.

Yeah, I guess we'll find out more specifics around the combine. I'll also be curious to see how Vonleh tests athletically.

He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft too (ironically behind Aaron Gordon), so there's a decent chance he's still growing.

[kozlodoev]

He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft too (ironically behind Aaron Gordon), so there's a decent chance he's still growing.

Per NBADraft.net, he measured 6'7 and 190 lbs in 2011, and 6'9+ and 245 lbs in 2013. He will, perhaps, be very similar in size to Al Jefferson on draft day. I'm not really concerned about his size at this point.

[Chris]

I see a lot of Bosh in Noah.  The problem is his size.  Bosh measured 6'10.25" without shoes (and I am pretty sure he was still growing).  When I have watched Vonleh, he has not looked that big.  But like Bosh, he has a long neck.

Vonleh measured 6'9.75 in shoes last season, and he may still be growing too, given that he's one of the youngest players in the draft. He also weighed in at 245, which is pretty decent given that he doesn't look to be packing a lot of body fat.

The problem will be whether he can master the defensive intricacies of real NBA action. With Sullinger and Olynyk manning the PF slot, we can't afford any shortcuts there.

I generally don't trust heights in shoes, or heights from anywhere but the combine.  But even given that measurement, he measured 1 3/4 inches shorter than Bosh in shoes.  That is a big difference.  It doesn't mean he is undersized at PF, that is probably about average.  But it means he wouldn't have that advantage, which is part of what makes Bosh so good.

He's grown a lot since 2011 and given his age, he may not be done yet either. I guess we'll just have to wait for the combine.

Also, he's full 20 lbs heavier than Bosh, and given his body type this probably indicates more strength.

Yeah, the combine will be big for him.

I think his body looks more like Al Horford (not as tall, but wider), but his game is closer to Bosh. 

[kozlodoev]

I think his body looks more like Al Horford (not as tall, but wider), but his game is closer to Bosh.

For whatever it's worth (and with all caveats about measures that are not from the combine):

Al Horford at the combine: 6'9.75 in shoes, 246 lbs.
Noah Vonleh at the 2013 Nike Hoops Summit: 6'9.75 in shoes, 248 lbs.

[BleedGreen1989]

Either way, when people are throwing around names like Chris Bosh, Al Hordford, and Rasheed Wallace then I think Noah has a bright future.

[Chris]

Either way, when people are throwing around names like Chris Bosh, Al Hordford, and Rasheed Wallace then I think Noah has a bright future.

Well, I am not sure Bosh would be great in Horfords body.  But yeah, Vonleh is a very good prospect.

[Chris]

I suppose to answer the question though, I prefer Gordon.  I loved Chad Ford's comparison to Andrei Kirilenko with Gordon.  I think it's right on.  He is a 3/4 who can always defend the other teams scoring forward, and he is a very versatile offensive player who will keep getting better.  He needs to fix his shot, but I think that can happen.