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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2014, 10:29:51 AM »

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That just means you had a bad read on Zach Randolph.  ;)
I don't think that always counting on Zach Randolph to take the worst shot in the least opportune moment was a bad read. The three-pointer airballs were especially entertaining.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2014, 10:30:52 AM »

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That just means you had a bad read on Zach Randolph.  ;)

  Me and how many teams that he played for?

Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2014, 10:31:43 AM »

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Josh Smith can still be salvaged playing PF, I believe, but I wouldn't want to be the team that tries to.  Not like you're getting a short "make good" deal or anything.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2014, 10:31:53 AM »

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I'll agree that Smith has the longer track record, but I'll agree to disagree that Smith is a vastly superior player. In fact, I don't think he is superior at all right now. I'll take Sullinger now and I definitely expect Sullinger to take another leap or two over the next 2 seasons.

There season to date comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2014&p2=smithjo03&y2=2014
So in his worst season to date, Smith is more or less comparable to Sullinger. Ok then.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2014, 10:33:14 AM »

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If our current best player were not a PF, trying to acquire Josh Smith might make some sense.  But right now I think Sullinger is the primary building block for the team.  The cap money and trade assets you'd use up acquiring Josh Smith can be spent elsewhere.

I'd rather go out of my way to acquire Gordon Hayward or Omer Asik, though I think I'd wait, if I could, until the draft to see who the Celtics take with their pick (or who they trade for with the pick).
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2014, 10:41:00 AM »

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I'll agree that Smith has the longer track record, but I'll agree to disagree that Smith is a vastly superior player. In fact, I don't think he is superior at all right now. I'll take Sullinger now and I definitely expect Sullinger to take another leap or two over the next 2 seasons.

There season to date comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2014&p2=smithjo03&y2=2014
So in his worst season to date, Smith is more or less comparable to Sullinger. Ok then.

Well, actually this is Sully's worst full-season to date, so I guess it's fair.  ;D


Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2014, 10:43:06 AM »

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I'll agree that Smith has the longer track record, but I'll agree to disagree that Smith is a vastly superior player. In fact, I don't think he is superior at all right now. I'll take Sullinger now and I definitely expect Sullinger to take another leap or two over the next 2 seasons.

There season to date comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2014&p2=smithjo03&y2=2014
So in his worst season to date, Smith is more or less comparable to Sullinger. Ok then.

Well, actually this is Sully's worst full-season to date, so I guess it's fair.  ;D
It will be a "full season" when he goes 82 games, if that's the way you want to play it. Anything but a given at this point.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2014, 10:46:48 AM »

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If you guys know me, then you'd know also I'm a huge supporter and fan of J-Smoove, and you'd know a few months ago the Celtics were supposedly going to trade Pierce for Smith. While I didn't want this happen, because Pierce has and always been my favorite Celtic growing up, I sort of wanted to see the Rondo/Smith combo.

When my homie moved to VA, I got invited a few times to watch Oakhill Academy games, and holy moly! The chemistry that Rondo had was amazing... He wouldn't even need to acknowledge where Smith was, at a few plays I saw a few no look lobs/alley oops that just seemed impossible to catch... but catch Smith did.

Of all big man, I would say Smith, Cousins, Gasol, Noah are probably the best passing big men to me. They possess that ability to see the play right before it starts to fully initiate.

Smith was also the only player in the NBA with stats of 18.8 PPG, 1.7 SPG, 1.7 BPG, 3.8 APG, and 9.8 RPG.

You don't try to make Smith a stretch forward. You need to have him in the paint where he belongs. Yes he can hit the mid range jumper, but anything further than 18 feet is a no-no.

Either way Josh Smith in my opinion has always been underrated. He's a skilled big men who is althetic, can defend, can pass, and has been questioned many times for his basketball IQ, but the problem with that is... Josh Smith on the Hawks cannot be your go to guy... He's an perennial All-Star, but not a superstar. They keep treating him like he is though. And unfortunately that is their big problem.

I hope DA decides to try to trade for him, slot Sullinger as a back up PF, and let Smith dominate from easy lobs/alley oops from Rondo. Plus Smith would be able to teach Sullinger certain ways to defend. He may not be as intense or great of a teacher as KG, but Smith is still a defensive wizard.

People forget how much of a great player Smith was, and the fact he was never ever fully respected as an Allstar once is astounding to me.

All I'll say about Josh Smith is that he's heavily underrated. Some people may say hes overrated, but a player at least putting up over 14 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG, and averaging every year over 1.5 BPG is overrated? Not to mention HES consistently been healthy! Yes he has been out for a few games, but nothing ever serious. I would be hesitant to take him on if he got an torn ACL. But Smith is a player that deserves to at least been an Allstar, and even if he has a bad shooting night can still impact the defensive end.

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I also would like to say Sully seems like he may be a good player in the future. But I wouldn't bet my entire life on it... If you can obtain Smith for Wallace/Bogans... then you do it....

The reason I want Sully to be a back up sixth man is that it may preserve his body, and his back. We want him to keep working and hustling. And let him develop. Yes not giving him full minutes may be an issue, but we can always slot Smith at SF/PF. Give plenty of time to whoever. If Wallace does get traded for Smith, I see it as more of a opportunity for Rondo to definitely want to stay with his buddy.

Also people can say whatever they want about Smith. But Smith is respected by many people in the league, and some players may find the prospect of playing with Smith and Rondo interesting enough to join in FA.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2014, 10:55:45 AM »

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Atlanta was not sad to leave him go.


Detroit hasn't made it through one whole season.




His addition nor his subtraction has seem to have little effect the teams win loss record.



Good player, but being payed as a game/team changer.  He is not. 


Celtics would be better off not trading for Smith and his contract.

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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2014, 11:03:59 AM »

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If you guys know me, you'd know a few months ago the Celtics were supposedly going to trade Pierce for Smith. While I didn't want this happen, because Pierce has and always been my favorite Celtic growing up, I sort of wanted to see the Rondo/Smith combo.

When my homie moved to VA, I got invited a few times to watch Oakhill Academy games, and holy moly! The chemistry that Rondo had was amazing... He wouldn't even need to acknowledge where Smith was, at a few plays I saw a few no look lobs/alley oops that just seemed impossible to catch... but catch Smith did.

Of all big man, I would say Smith, Cousins, Gasol, Noah are probably the best passing big men to me. They possess that ability to see the play right before it starts to fully initiate.

Smith was also the only player in the NBA with stats of 18.8 PPG, 1.7 SPG, 1.7 BPG, 3.8 APG, and 9.8 RPG.

You don't try to make Smith a stretch forward. You need to have him in the paint where he belongs. Yes he can hit the mid range jumper, but anything further than 18 feet is a no-no.

Either way Josh Smith in my opinion has always been underrated. He's a skilled big men who is althetic, can defend, can pass, and has been questioned many times for his basketball IQ, but the problem with that is... Josh Smith on the Hawks cannot be your go to guy... He's an perennial All-Star, but not a superstar. They keep treating him like he is though. And unfortunately that is their big problem.

I hope DA decides to try to trade for him, slot Sullinger as a back up PF, and let Smith dominate from easy lobs/alley oops from Rondo. Plus Smith would be able to teach Sullinger certain ways to defend. He may not be as intense or great of a teacher as KG, but Smith is still a defensive wizard.

People forget how much of a great player Smith was, and the fact he was never ever fully respected as an Allstar once is astounding to me.

All I'll say about Josh Smith is that he's heavily underrated. Some people may say hes overrated, but a player at least putting up over 14 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG, and averaging every year over 1.5 BPG is overrated? Not to mention HES consistently been healthy! Yes he has been out for a few games, but nothing ever serious. I would be hesitant to take him on if he got an torn ACL. But Smith is a player that deserves to at least been an Allstar, and even if he has a bad shooting night can still impact the defensive end.

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I also would like to say Sully seems like he may be a good player in the future. But I wouldn't bet my entire life on it... If you can obtain Smith for Wallace/Bogans... then you do it....

The reason I want Sully to be a back up sixth man is that it may preserve his body, and his back. We want him to keep working and hustling. And let him develop. Yes not giving him full minutes may be an issue, but we can always slot Smith at SF/PF. Give plenty of time to whoever. If Wallace does get traded for Smith, I see it as more of a opportunity for Rondo to definitely want to stay with his buddy.

Also people can say whatever they want about Smith. But Smith is respected by many people in the league, and some players may find the prospect of playing with Smith and Rondo interesting enough to join in FA.

I agree to an extent. I was against trading Pierce for Josh Smith at first, but I was very open to trading Green for him. Then he went to Detroit and he was utterly disappointing. I agree that he would have great chemistry with Rondo and his defense is amazing. But I want no where near his contract.

So theoretically if we do get Smith, who becomes our scorer? Bradley the chucker? Sullinger? Smith (god no). BUt then again, you can also argue we don't have one right now.

Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2014, 11:06:28 AM »

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I hope DA decides to try to trade for him, slot Sullinger as a back up PF, and let Smith dominate from easy lobs/alley oops from Rondo.........

I also would like to say Sully seems like he may be a good player in the future. But I wouldn't bet my entire life on it... If you can obtain Smith for Wallace/Bogans... then you do it....

The reason I want Sully to be a back up sixth man is that it may preserve his body, and his back. We want him to keep working and hustling. And let him develop. Yes not giving him full minutes may be an issue, but we can always slot Smith at SF/PF. Give plenty of time to whoever. If Wallace does get traded for Smith, I see it as more of a opportunity for Rondo to definitely want to stay with his buddy.



This is exactly what i was thinking....I love Sully but im not convinced his health problems are fixed so being a 6th man for a few years would be great for him then maybe start a few years and then he is back to bench IMO im worried his career will be short so being a 6th may help to prolong it.

Altho I dont like Smith at SF at all, so if we trade green for lets say asik....better get a quality SF from draft or another trade

Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2014, 11:20:19 AM »

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Altho I dont like Smith at SF at all, so if we trade green for lets say asik....better get a quality SF from draft or another trade
Oh. You think we'll be able to get Smith without giving Green or Sullinger?! Um, yeah... no.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2014, 11:22:44 AM »

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I agree to an extent. I was against trading Pierce for Josh Smith at first, but I was very open to trading Green for him. Then he went to Detroit and he was utterly disappointing. I agree that he would have great chemistry with Rondo and his defense is amazing. But I want no where near his contract.

So theoretically if we do get Smith, who becomes our scorer? Bradley the chucker? Sullinger? Smith (god no). BUt then again, you can also argue we don't have one right now.



I hope DA decides to try to trade for him, slot Sullinger as a back up PF, and let Smith dominate from easy lobs/alley oops from Rondo.........

I also would like to say Sully seems like he may be a good player in the future. But I wouldn't bet my entire life on it... If you can obtain Smith for Wallace/Bogans... then you do it....

The reason I want Sully to be a back up sixth man is that it may preserve his body, and his back. We want him to keep working and hustling. And let him develop. Yes not giving him full minutes may be an issue, but we can always slot Smith at SF/PF. Give plenty of time to whoever. If Wallace does get traded for Smith, I see it as more of a opportunity for Rondo to definitely want to stay with his buddy.



This is exactly what i was thinking....I love Sully but im not convinced his health problems are fixed so being a 6th man for a few years would be great for him then maybe start a few years and then he is back to bench IMO im worried his career will be short so being a 6th may help to prolong it.

Altho I dont like Smith at SF at all, so if we trade green for lets say asik....better get a quality SF from draft or another trade

Smith has a terrible contract, but if we can get his stats a little higher, and make him actually look good, then it won't be hard to move in the future. It doesn't affect as cap space as much if we can move Wallace/Bogans/Green for Smith, and possibly getting a prospect back in return. There is a more longer commitment, but... for a player like Smith who isn't a superstar, but a great two way player, I'd do it. I know DA would never do it, as he's had multiple chances of pulling off a trade for Smith, but never seemed interested enough.

As for keeping Bradley, well... if he can ever improve offensively, I don't see why not... Yes we need a better go-to guy scorer. I would prefer us to try to trade for a good SF, or draft one.

Plus like I said, if there is a Rondo/Smith combo. It may lure free agents to us.

Realistic pipe dream would be
Rondo
Bradley
Melo
Smith
Asik

6th man
Sullinger
Chris Johnson
Pressey
Faverani


That is a formidable team, and I don't care what you guys say. That could contend.

And like I said, I think Sully could be our future PF, but right now he needs playing time, but needs a few rests and breaks here and then. Give him 25-27 MPG, but then give him a few games where he plays 10-20 so KO/Faverani can play. Plus it still gives more room for veterans to be shipped and raise their stock value.

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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2014, 11:29:55 AM »

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You don't try to make Smith a stretch forward. You need to have him in the paint where he belongs. Yes he can hit the mid range jumper, but anything further than 18 feet is a no-no.

Either way Josh Smith in my opinion has always been underrated. He's a skilled big men who is althetic, can defend, can pass, and has been questioned many times for his basketball IQ, but the problem with that is... Josh Smith on the Hawks cannot be your go to guy... He's an perennial All-Star, but not a superstar. They keep treating him like he is though. And unfortunately that is their big problem.

I don't think the problem is that the Hawks were forcing Smith to be a go-to guy, I think the problem is that he wants that role and he left the Hawks in search of a place where he could try to be the player he wants to be.
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Re: Josh Smith available
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2014, 11:32:18 AM »

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This team still goes nowhere if they add Josh Smith.

No thanks.


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