11.9% chance of winning the draft lottery as of today

[Tr1boy]

I like Grant but think he's probably going to be there for the Celtics second pick. Grant and Embiid would be an extremely successful draft though one in which the Celtics would be looking to not see major results from those players for 3 years or so. They are that raw.

Grant wont be avail at 20-26. Raw but too much upside to ignore. Just as gifted athletically as wiggins. Imo can jumper higher.

He is more skilled than ppl think . Has improved his jump shot and ability to drive in. His passing skills has been always good

I think you are wrong about when he will be available. His shooting is going to hold him back.

Have you actually seen him play games?

He is not automatic but he makes more then he misses. Last year he was inconsistent and streaky. So he has improved.

Even without a jump shot , he will get you 10-12 points on putbacks and out jumping you alone. This kid is athletically gifted with a 7'3 wingspan but also has upside and a better than avg bbiq. He is not going to be there at 20-26

Have I seen him play? My son goes to Syracuse and I have watched 90% of their games. Have you seen him play as you appear to be quoting directly from his DraftExpress page regarding his shooting?

He has a PF game and a SF body. He's terrific in the paint because of his athleticism but has zero true outside game and very little game to get open for his 15 foot jumper that seems to be falling over the last couple weeks. He will be a terrific defender and above average rebounder but unless he is in transition or being successful with his inside game on less athletic SFs, he will struggle offensively in the NBA without that good outside shot.

He has a shot. You should rewatch some games.he is also able to drive and finish. A guy with little to no perimter skills is gerald wallace. No jump shot either

At worse he is improving. I guess you cant see his upside

Btw you can actually play for syracuse for all it matters but that doesnt mean I agree with your assessments

[nickagneta]

I like Grant but think he's probably going to be there for the Celtics second pick. Grant and Embiid would be an extremely successful draft though one in which the Celtics would be looking to not see major results from those players for 3 years or so. They are that raw.

Grant wont be avail at 20-26. Raw but too much upside to ignore. Just as gifted athletically as wiggins. Imo can jumper higher.

He is more skilled than ppl think . Has improved his jump shot and ability to drive in. His passing skills has been always good

I think you are wrong about when he will be available. His shooting is going to hold him back.

Have you actually seen him play games?

He is not automatic but he makes more then he misses. Last year he was inconsistent and streaky. So he has improved.

Even without a jump shot , he will get you 10-12 points on putbacks and out jumping you alone. This kid is athletically gifted with a 7'3 wingspan but also has upside and a better than avg bbiq. He is not going to be there at 20-26

Have I seen him play? My son goes to Syracuse and I have watched 90% of their games. Have you seen him play as you appear to be quoting directly from his DraftExpress page regarding his shooting?

He has a PF game and a SF body. He's terrific in the paint because of his athleticism but has zero true outside game and very little game to get open for his 15 foot jumper that seems to be falling over the last couple weeks. He will be a terrific defender and above average rebounder but unless he is in transition or being successful with his inside game on less athletic SFs, he will struggle offensively in the NBA without that good outside shot.

He has a shot. You should rewatch some games.he is also able to drive and finish. A guy with little to no perimter skills is gerald wallace. No jump shot either

At worse he is improving. I guess you cant see his upside

Btw you can actually play for syracuse for all it matters but that doesnt mean I agree with your assessments

And I don't agree with your assessments but I wasn't the one that started the calling you about being knowledgeable enough to discuss something by immaturely asking if you actually had seen him play. That was you.

[Tr1boy]

Nick you say he has little to no outside game but for some reason these days his jumpers are falling?

You also havent mentioned about his ability to pass.

Grant doesnt have to be pierce on offense in order to succeed in the nba. He can be more like a ibaka sf version and still do damage.

[lightspeed5]

this just feels right

[PickNRoll]

I've only seen the highlight reels and scouting vids, so take this with a grain of salt.  To me, Grant looks like Shawn Kemp.  Incredibly explosive, but raw.  We've seen a lot of these hyper-athletic guys come and go in the last 10 years.

[LilRip]

While Parker isn't playing the greatest defense in college, he does have the tools to be a very good defender. He has excellent footwork and his lateral movement is very good. He also has elite initial burst forward to close out on people. Physically, he's 6'8", solid and strong with a 7 foot reach means that with work, he should be a very good defender in the right system and with the right coaching.

Yeah.  It's not like Pierce was an amazing defender early in his career.

Pierce was a really good defender as a young player. Got lazy with bad habits as he came into his own as a star till Doc and the rest made him lock in.

Hm.  Well, in any case, I'll take a great scorer with the physical tools to be a good defender over a great defender with the physical tools to become a nice scorer.

Is that what happened with marshon brooks?

What about ibaka known to be a defender really turning heads offensively??

I rather have a guy who plays better defense like leonard and george and hone their offensive skills later.

lol, is that what happened with Hasheem Thabeet or Fab Melo?

i get your concern about two-way players. I would take Wiggins over Parker as well. But c'mon, referencing Marshon Brooks?

I think a more apt way to look at things would be: would you rather draft Carmelo Anthony or Tayshaun Prince?

[Tr1boy]

I've only seen the highlight reels and scouting vids, so take this with a grain of salt.  To me, Grant looks like Shawn Kemp.  Incredibly explosive, but raw.  We've seen a lot of these hyper-athletic guys come and go in the last 10 years.

Take a look at this and tell me if Grant is as raw as you think. It's not all about spetacular dunks/blocks.  Once he refines his game, he is going to be real good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQFSt4LOs3c

(time on youtube)
9:14 Grant makes a long jump shot
13:40 two dribble layup in traffic (going to be hard to defend)
15:41 defensive rebound
18:30 two dribble layup attempt, but fouled.
22:22 again fouled
23:29 block shot
25:43 drive and pass
29:00 baseline jumper.

Doesn't play over his head (doesn't turnover the ball much) and doesn't get enough touches.  He is not going to be easy to stop one on one once he hones his skills. Jumps so quickly off the ground, has an oustanding first step and length

[Smokeeye123]

Really really worried about the next 5 games...Magic, Sixers, Kings, Mavs, and Bucks...We're bad but I honestly could see us winning 3 or 4 of those games.

[indeedproceed]

I watched the Cuse-Pitt game..and Grant is an athlete, very talented, and he is raw as anybody out there. Skills aren't there yet.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Really really worried about the next 5 games...Magic, Sixers, Kings, Mavs, and Bucks...We're bad but I honestly could see us winning 3 or 4 of those games.

We always say this when we face bad teams but we always end up losing. Stay positive! We're worser den dat.

[Tr1boy]

I watched the Cuse-Pitt game..and Grant is an athlete, very talented, and he is raw as anybody out there. Skills aren't there yet.

I agree.  You can tell he knows the game though.

I think in the NBA he will go through changing his position like KG did, from SF, then eventually with enough strength able to play the PF spot. Also refine his skills along the way

Not sure he will ever be a go to guy. But will be a double double machine, with a few blocks, assists and many highlight reel plays.  In crunch time when baskets are missed, i can see Grant flying in for offensive rebounds and clutch putbacks

[Smokeeye123]

Really really worried about the next 5 games...Magic, Sixers, Kings, Mavs, and Bucks...We're bad but I honestly could see us winning 3 or 4 of those games.

We always say this when we face bad teams but we always end up losing. Stay positive! We're worser den dat.

Hope your'e right...If we can somehow go 1-4 we should have a real shot at the 2nd worse record since by the end of these 5 games the trade deadline will be approaching and Danny will probably making us even worse.

[D.o.s.]

While Parker isn't playing the greatest defense in college, he does have the tools to be a very good defender. He has excellent footwork and his lateral movement is very good. He also has elite initial burst forward to close out on people. Physically, he's 6'8", solid and strong with a 7 foot reach means that with work, he should be a very good defender in the right system and with the right coaching.

Yeah.  It's not like Pierce was an amazing defender early in his career.

Pierce was a really good defender as a young player. Got lazy with bad habits as he came into his own as a star till Doc and the rest made him lock in.

Hm.  Well, in any case, I'll take a great scorer with the physical tools to be a good defender over a great defender with the physical tools to become a nice scorer.

Is that what happened with marshon brooks?

What about ibaka known to be a defender really turning heads offensively??

I rather have a guy who plays better defense like leonard and george and hone their offensive skills later.

lol, is that what happened with Hasheem Thabeet or Fab Melo?

i get your concern about two-way players. I would take Wiggins over Parker as well. But c'mon, referencing Marshon Brooks?

I think a more apt way to look at things would be: would you rather draft Carmelo Anthony or Tayshaun Prince?

To be fair to Hasheem Thabeet is still in the league, and has turned into a pretty all right player.

[get_banners]

While Parker isn't playing the greatest defense in college, he does have the tools to be a very good defender. He has excellent footwork and his lateral movement is very good. He also has elite initial burst forward to close out on people. Physically, he's 6'8", solid and strong with a 7 foot reach means that with work, he should be a very good defender in the right system and with the right coaching.

Yeah.  It's not like Pierce was an amazing defender early in his career.

Pierce was a really good defender as a young player. Got lazy with bad habits as he came into his own as a star till Doc and the rest made him lock in.

Hm.  Well, in any case, I'll take a great scorer with the physical tools to be a good defender over a great defender with the physical tools to become a nice scorer.

Is that what happened with marshon brooks?

What about ibaka known to be a defender really turning heads offensively??

I rather have a guy who plays better defense like leonard and george and hone their offensive skills later.

lol, is that what happened with Hasheem Thabeet or Fab Melo?

i get your concern about two-way players. I would take Wiggins over Parker as well. But c'mon, referencing Marshon Brooks?

I think a more apt way to look at things would be: would you rather draft Carmelo Anthony or Tayshaun Prince?

To be fair to Hasheem Thabeet is still in the league, and has turned into a pretty all right player.

"all right" is a stretch for thabeet. at best, he's better than fab melo (which isn't saying much), which is pretty atrocious for someone picked as high as he was.

[Jayman]

Looks good to me