Amico/Fox sports: Bucks open to Larry Sanders trade for draft picks...

[moiso]

At this point, the Bucks should be sending back draft picks.  He's been that bad.

* He's averaging 6.7 points per game.  That's really bad, but is the second highest total of his four-year career;

* He's shooting 43.3% from the field, which is atrocious for a guy of his size and athleticism.  An anomaly?  Nope.  He's shot below 46% in three out of his four seasons.  He's been a terrible FT shooter, too;

* He's got character issues, both in public and in the locker room;

* He's vastly overpaid starting next year ($44 million over four years);

* He's overrated as a defender, and can't stay out of foul trouble (5.0 PF per 36 minutes).

I've called this guy "Javale McGee 2.0", but that's probably vastly unfair to Javale.  It just doesn't make sense to give up draft picks for the pleasure of having Sanders take up 20% of your salary cap for the next four seasons.

As crazy as it is to say, I'm not even sure if I'd do Wallace + a #2 for Sanders.  You probably have to, I guess, for the potential.  However, between Sanders' attitude, offensive ineptitude, and terrible contract (again, a year longer than Wallace's), I'd be very hesitant.

He had Brandon "I love EVERY shot I can take" Jennings as his PG.  I would venture to guess that his FG percentage would go back over 50% as it was even last year WITH Jennings with Rondo passing to him, rather than shooting!!  He also shot over 60% from the line last year.  Not stellar, but shows me he can certainly be better from the line.

Smitty77

I dunno.  Sanders must have been REALLY wide open when Jennings passed to him

[LooseCannon]

But Green makes no sense for the Rockets -- need a third team. And Wallace is a non-starter in an Asik deal.

Green makes a lot of sense for the Rockets.  They were reportedly looking for either a SF or PF and Green can play both.  He can hit a three and will defer to guys like Harden and Howard on offense instead of trying to force himself into the game.  He can provide perimeter defense.

As a combo forward off the bench, he would be an upgrade over Francisco Garcia and Omri Casspi.  As a PF, he'd be a bigger three-point threat than Robinson.

They'd prefer a better rebounder, but if Green is available, he fits a lot of the things they could use.

[cletus1985]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

If we can dump the albatross of a contract that is the corpse of "crash" and throw them the Clippers pick along with something like the 76ers conditional pick and Miami's 2nd or possibly the worst of our pick or the BKN/ATL pick if necessary YOU ABSOLUTELY DO IT!

At best you get a double-double guy who plays great team and help defense who is only 25 yrs old and you hope the change of scenery and a chance to be part of a winning culture changes his attitude.

At worst you've let go of some late draft picks who more then likely don't make an NBA roster or peak at being a journeyman bench player and you dump a malcontent who produces nothing for a malcontent who at least gives you some productive minutes rebounding and defending (doubt he'll regress in those areas once fully healthy).

This is the only way we're getting a legit defensive center who has potential to be a borderline all star without giving up the farm or getting lucky in the draft. Those picks have very little value in the draft (granted lightning strikes every now and then, but odds are really
bad) and there isn't any argument for keeping Wallace. The reward is much higher than the risk in this situation and if Milwaukee says yes I'm sure Danny would jump all over this.

I say Wallace/cap filler (Bogans most likely)/picks mentioned above for Sanders/Butler. LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

[PhoSita]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

One of the most important parts of a rebuild is having patience. 

Yes, the team needs a rebounding / defensive-minded center.  But that doesn't mean the team should be willing to give up any amount of assets or pay any amount of money to acquire and keep such a player.

[Chris]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

One of the most important parts of a rebuild is having patience. 

Yes, the team needs a rebounding / defensive-minded center.  But that doesn't mean the team should be willing to give up any amount of assets or pay any amount of money to acquire and keep such a player.

Absolutely true.  But by most accounts, Sanders would be available for a bargain price right now, because of the nightclub incident, and contract-wise, you would have a hard time doing much better for a defensive anchor type center.  He is locked up longterm in the bottom half of the market for that type of player (not counting those on rookie contracts). 

There are absolutely questions about this guy, but if you can get him for a reasonable deal, then this is what you are patient for.

[cletus1985]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

One of the most important parts of a rebuild is having patience. 

Yes, the team needs a rebounding / defensive-minded center.  But that doesn't mean the team should be willing to give up any amount of assets or pay any amount of money to acquire and keep such a player.

I completely understand that patience is a virtue in rebuilding, but we wouldn't be giving up much in terms of assets if they accept the deal I just proposed. Late 1st's and 2nd round picks generally don't turn into anything better than average journeymen at best. Taking on one more year of salary for a productive player while shipping out our worst contract with no production I wouldn't consider paying any amount of money either. It's the type of low risk high reward trade that could fast forward this rebuild while retaining our best assets for future trades to get back to the promised land.

[hpantazo]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

One of the most important parts of a rebuild is having patience. 

Yes, the team needs a rebounding / defensive-minded center.  But that doesn't mean the team should be willing to give up any amount of assets or pay any amount of money to acquire and keep such a player.

I completely understand that patience is a virtue in rebuilding, but we wouldn't be giving up much in terms of assets if they accept the deal I just proposed. Late 1st's and 2nd round picks generally don't turn into anything better than average journeymen at best. Taking on one more year of salary for a productive player while shipping out our worst contract with no production I wouldn't consider paying any amount of money either. It's the type of low risk high reward trade that could fast forward this rebuild while retaining our best assets for future trades to get back to the promised land.

you are making two huge assumptions that are likely not correct.

1) The bucks wouldn't take Wallace in a Sanders deal

2) they would likely want better than 2 late 1st rounders, probably the future nets picks is what they would ask for

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I would not touch Larry Sanders.

In his contract year he averaged 9 points and 9 rebounds. He got overpaid with his shot blocking and potential.

He's a locker room problem and has not improved whatsoever. And I have to give draft picks for him?

I'd rather have my rim protector be Kris Humphries. He's not 6'11", but he can do much more, and a good teammate.

[LooseCannon]

Let's imagine two deals.  Asik for Bass, Bogans, the lesser of the Celtics 2014 picks (with top-10 protection), and the protected Philly pick or Sanders for Wallace, those picks, and the Clippers pick.

Which deal is better? (You can say both stink.)

[NYDan]

We can afford to be choosey when it comes to committing to cornerstone pieces moving forward. There is no rush to rebuild this team in one season, and bigs that other teams are trying to get rid of asap for valid reasons are hard to get excited about. That includes Asik as well.

Even if I loved Sanders game (I don't) his poor attitude and current production alone is reason enough to take pause, and I believe we have enough chips to work out a trade for something better than a question mark at C once the timing is right.

[D.o.s.]

I'd rather have my rim protector be Kris Humphries. He's not 6'11"

... or a rim protector at all, is how you should finish that sentence.

Let's imagine two deals.  Asik for Bass, Bogans, the lesser of the Celtics 2014 picks (with top-10 protection), and the protected Philly pick or Sanders for Wallace, those picks, and the Clippers pick.

Which deal is better? (You can say both stink.)

I'm torn. I think the Sanders deal leaves us with a front court that's a little too crowded, but I strongly believe he's a better target both on the floor and financially than Asik (not to mention he won't be an UFA in a year and change).

[cletus1985]

I've read through all 5 pages of this topic and all I can say is WOW! Everyone who knows the
C's and wants them to get back to contender status knows we absolutely have to get a rebounding, defensive minded center. Yet, most of the posts here are against taking a chance on Sanders?

One of the most important parts of a rebuild is having patience. 

Yes, the team needs a rebounding / defensive-minded center.  But that doesn't mean the team should be willing to give up any amount of assets or pay any amount of money to acquire and keep such a player.

I completely understand that patience is a virtue in rebuilding, but we wouldn't be giving up much in terms of assets if they accept the deal I just proposed. Late 1st's and 2nd round picks generally don't turn into anything better than average journeymen at best. Taking on one more year of salary for a productive player while shipping out our worst contract with no production I wouldn't consider paying any amount of money either. It's the type of low risk high reward trade that could fast forward this rebuild while retaining our best assets for future trades to get back to the promised land.

you are making two huge assumptions that are likely not correct.

1) The bucks wouldn't take Wallace in a Sanders deal

2) they would likely want better than 2 late 1st rounders, probably the future nets picks is what they would ask for

Depends on how bad they want him gone and what other offers are out there. Everything posted in here is based mostly on assumption, I'm just saying if we can get him at that price it's absolutely worth the risk.

If he's become a big enough team distraction and they want to ship him out before the deadline no matter what, then unless another team beats that offer, a contract with one less year and a couple of late 1st's and/or 2nd's may get it done. Obviously all speculation on my part, but not impossible and if it is possible I'd absolutely love this trade for our future.

[Evantime34]

Let's imagine two deals.  Asik for Bass, Bogans, the lesser of the Celtics 2014 picks (with top-10 protection), and the protected Philly pick or Sanders for Wallace, those picks, and the Clippers pick.

Which deal is better? (You can say both stink.)

I think the you should knock a first off each deal.

[slamtheking]

Let's imagine two deals.  Asik for Bass, Bogans, the lesser of the Celtics 2014 picks (with top-10 protection), and the protected Philly pick or Sanders for Wallace, those picks, and the Clippers pick.

Which deal is better? (You can say both stink.)

don't like either -- not going to give up multiple firsts for either of those guys.  would rather move an extra (expendable) player than an extra pick.

[D.o.s.]

When people bring up a the idea that a player is of poor character or a locker room cancer, I'm always reminded of a pair of Jail Blazers that remodeled themselves into a championship-winner and community-supporting model citizen, respectively.

Anyone that guesses both gets a TP.