Amico/Fox sports: Bucks open to Larry Sanders trade for draft picks...

[Roy H.]

Larry Sanders, 25 years old.
2012-13 per 36 numbers:

13 points
3.5 blocks
1 steal
12.5 rebounds

his foul tendency is a problem but to move Wallaces contract with a few mid first round picks would be like robbing the Swiss bank.
Again, pair this guy with Rondo and watch the Perk effect on offense magically transform him to a 16 ppg 12 rebound 3 block monster protecting the rim and clearing space for Sullinger to bang down low and collect the crumbs when he stretches out to 15 feet.

There's a reason the Bucks gave him a long, solid deal- he's the prototype for a rich man's Tyson Chandler- compare their per 36 numbers. Sanders still has plenty of potential on offense at age 25, he's also stuck on a bum team that struggles to score. With Brandon Jennings as their PG he was getting 13 points a game. Surely Rondo bumps that up to 16-18 ppg with simple passing alone.

What good do per-36 numbers do, if he can't stay on the court?

What good are his 2013 stats, if he's underperformed them drastically in 2014?

Also, to be clear, he's averaging less than 7 points per game on 44% shooting.  Rondo isn't magic; asking him to have Sanders more than double his production seems a bit optimistic.

[ssspence]

I'd offer them Gerald Wallace and the Phili pick we got from Miami as a starting point. I might cave to the worse of the Clips and our 2015 1sts as the pick. If not, no harm no foul.

[PAOBoston]

The only picks I would consider giving up are the Clippers and BRK/ATL picks. Everyone complains that Wallace is overpaid and has a long contract. Well, Sanders gets paid more than Wallace and his contract is even longer. Throw in all the other baggage on and off the court and I personally don't think it's worth it. $11 mil per for several years for an underperforming malcontent doesn't sound appealing to me.

[Roy H.]

The bucks are going to want our 1st pick to even get a conservation stated

Why is Larry Sanders worth a lottery pick?

He's better than you think and he wants to win.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

So Andrea Bargnani is the second best interior defender in the NBA?

Let's trade for him.  He's a better scorer, and imagine what he'd be like with Rondo throwing him passes!  He's only got one year left on his contract, too.

The only problem is, the Knicks would probably want multiple lottery picks.  The guy averages 16 points per 36 minutes, has 3PT range, and is an elite, game-changing defender according to analytics.  Let's do it, Danny!

(Now, does that make any sense to anybody?)

[Moranis]

Larry Sanders, 25 years old.
2012-13 per 36 numbers:

13 points
3.5 blocks
1 steal
12.5 rebounds

his foul tendency is a problem but to move Wallaces contract with a few mid first round picks would be like robbing the Swiss bank.
Again, pair this guy with Rondo and watch the Perk effect on offense magically transform him to a 16 ppg 12 rebound 3 block monster protecting the rim and clearing space for Sullinger to bang down low and collect the crumbs when he stretches out to 15 feet.

There's a reason the Bucks gave him a long, solid deal- he's the prototype for a rich man's Tyson Chandler- compare their per 36 numbers. Sanders still has plenty of potential on offense at age 25, he's also stuck on a bum team that struggles to score. With Brandon Jennings as their PG he was getting 13 points a game. Surely Rondo bumps that up to 16-18 ppg with simple passing alone.

What good do per-36 numbers do, if he can't stay on the court?

What good are his 2013 stats, if he's underperformed them drastically in 2014?

He is still very much injured, which has affected his performance at least some this year.  And 5 fouls per 36 means he can actually play 36 minutes, he just isn't there physically.  And yes I absolutely realize he injured himself, which is certainly a red flag (along with all the other mental issues), but he is injured and it has physically affected his play.

[chambers]

At this point, the Bucks should be sending back draft picks.  He's been that bad.

* He's averaging 6.7 points per game.  That's really bad, but is the second highest total of his four-year career;

* He's shooting 43.3% from the field, which is atrocious for a guy of his size and athleticism.  An anomaly?  Nope.  He's shot below 46% in three out of his four seasons.  He's been a terrible FT shooter, too;

* He's got character issues, both in public and in the locker room;

* He's vastly overpaid starting next year ($44 million over four years);

* He's overrated as a defender, and can't stay out of foul trouble (5.0 PF per 36 minutes).

I've called this guy "Javale McGee 2.0", but that's probably vastly unfair to Javale.  It just doesn't make sense to give up draft picks for the pleasure of having Sanders take up 20% of your salary cap for the next four seasons.

As crazy as it is to say, I'm not even sure if I'd do Wallace + a #2 for Sanders.  You probably have to, I guess, for the potential.  However, between Sanders' attitude, offensive ineptitude, and terrible contract (again, a year longer than Wallace's), I'd be very hesitant.

Actually in the 12-13 season (the first season where he averaged more than 12 minutes a game) he basically averaged
10 points, 9.5 rebounds and 3 blocks in 27 minutes a game
He also shot over 50% from the floor. He shot 62% from the free throw line too....whilst being one of the best rim protectors in the NBA. His Wingspan is between 7'4" to 7' 6" long.

Larry Sanders, 25 years old.
2012-13 per 36 numbers:

13 points
3.5 blocks
1 steal
12.5 rebounds

his foul tendency is a problem but to move Wallaces contract with a few mid first round picks would be like robbing the Swiss bank.
Again, pair this guy with Rondo and watch the Perk effect on offense magically transform him to a 16 ppg 12 rebound 3 block monster protecting the rim and clearing space for Sullinger to bang down low and collect the crumbs when he stretches out to 15 feet.

There's a reason the Bucks gave him a long, solid deal- he's the prototype for a rich man's Tyson Chandler- compare their per 36 numbers. Sanders still has plenty of potential on offense at age 25, he's also stuck on a bum team that struggles to score. With Brandon Jennings as their PG he was getting 13 points a game. Surely Rondo bumps that up to 16-18 ppg with simple passing alone.

What good do per-36 numbers do, if he can't stay on the court?

What good are his 2013 stats, if he's underperformed them drastically in 2014?

Also, to be clear, he's averaging less than 7 points per game on 44% shooting.  Rondo isn't magic; asking him to have Sanders more than double his production seems a bit optimistic.

You're saying he's shooting 44% coming off a major injury and 15 games is more solid support than his entire 2012-13 season where his team wasn't trying to completely tank?

He shot over 50% and shot 61.8% from the FT line.
He averaged 10 points and 9.5 rebounds with 3 blocks.

Are we going to judge Rondo's return on his first 15 games on a team that's quite possibly doing its best to 'develop young talent' ahead of securing wins?

You hate Sanders for various reasons which is fine, but you're trying to p--- on his game unfairly and it's not warranted.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

meh

[moiso]

Larry Sanders, 25 years old.
2012-13 per 36 numbers:

13 points
3.5 blocks
1 steal
12.5 rebounds

his foul tendency is a problem but to move Wallaces contract with a few mid first round picks would be like robbing the Swiss bank.
Again, pair this guy with Rondo and watch the Perk effect on offense magically transform him to a 16 ppg 12 rebound 3 block monster protecting the rim and clearing space for Sullinger to bang down low and collect the crumbs when he stretches out to 15 feet.

There's a reason the Bucks gave him a long, solid deal- he's the prototype for a rich man's Tyson Chandler- compare their per 36 numbers. Sanders still has plenty of potential on offense at age 25, he's also stuck on a bum team that struggles to score. With Brandon Jennings as their PG he was getting 13 points a game. Surely Rondo bumps that up to 16-18 ppg with simple passing alone.

If you can't play defense without fouling, you can't defend... it's like saying someone is a great shooter who is unable to make shots.

TP to Roy for his excellent analysis.

[moiso]

This reminds me a little of the Jeff Green situation.  Green was slightly above average in OKC for several years and OKC didn't want him anymore, yet so many Celtic fans assumed we were getting an allstar.

Sanders has pretty much sucked his whole career and happened to put up slightly better numbers in his contract year and has since regressed mentally, physically, and on the court.  But half of the people here think we are getting a great player.

There is a reason he is available.  And too many people are easily fooled by highlights.  You're going to win with guys who make the right plays consistently.  I'd rather have a guy who consistently stays in the way than a guy who makes 3 spectacular blocks per game.

[chambers]

Larry Sanders, 25 years old.
2012-13 per 36 numbers:

13 points
3.5 blocks
1 steal
12.5 rebounds

his foul tendency is a problem but to move Wallaces contract with a few mid first round picks would be like robbing the Swiss bank.
Again, pair this guy with Rondo and watch the Perk effect on offense magically transform him to a 16 ppg 12 rebound 3 block monster protecting the rim and clearing space for Sullinger to bang down low and collect the crumbs when he stretches out to 15 feet.

There's a reason the Bucks gave him a long, solid deal- he's the prototype for a rich man's Tyson Chandler- compare their per 36 numbers. Sanders still has plenty of potential on offense at age 25, he's also stuck on a bum team that struggles to score. With Brandon Jennings as their PG he was getting 13 points a game. Surely Rondo bumps that up to 16-18 ppg with simple passing alone.

If you can't play defense without fouling, you can't defend... it's like saying someone is a great shooter who is unable to make shots.

TP to Roy for his excellent analysis.

haha excellent analysis?
He basically said 'Larry Sanders has a bad attitude' then used his COMBINED career stats to completely mislead anyone reading his 'analysis' on the guy.
Again, last season when he played 71 games, and played 27 minutes, he averaged 9.8 points, 9.5 rebounds, 2.8 blocks and 50.6% FG.
He actually averaged 4.3 fouls per 36 minutes and only 3.3 fouls in his 27 minutes a game, so he didn't foul out and if he did play 36 minutes a game he wouldn't foul out.

Again, Roy's taken a 15 game sample size from this season where he's returning from injury and decided to firstly stamp his foot, then rub his foot in Larry Sanders' validity as a player- for reasons which only he can explain,

Pretty much everything he wrote was dodgy. Just to summarize, in the 2013 season Larry Sanders averaged (exactly)...

27 minutes a game over 71 games.
9.8 points
9.5 rebounds
2.8 blocks
0.7 steals
3.3 fouls
61.8% from the line.

Per 36 projections:
12.9 points
12.5 rebounds
3.7 blocks
1 steal
1.5 assists
4.3 fouls

Again, his main objective is to protect the basket, which he's darn good at too.

[CelticG1]

Sometimes i feel like people enyirely overlook the salary cap and the importance of managing it.

Picking up Sanders would be like getting blackout drunk and playing GM

[chambers]

This reminds me a little of the Jeff Green situation.  Green was slightly above average in OKC for several years and OKC didn't want him anymore, yet so many Celtic fans assumed we were getting an allstar.

Sanders has pretty much sucked his whole career and happened to put up slightly better numbers in his contract year and has since regressed mentally, physically, and on the court.  But half of the people here think we are getting a great player.

There is a reason he is available.  And too many people are easily fooled by highlights.  You're going to win with guys who make the right plays consistently.  I'd rather have a guy who consistently stays in the way than a guy who makes 3 spectacular blocks per game.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
Again, look at his stats. The point is he's not just a great shot blocker, he's a great rim protector. The reason he's available is because the Bucks are trying to tank, and they also have another phenom young center named John Henson who projects similarly to Larry Sanders but with an expanded offensive game.
Whatever you've made up your mind either way lol.

[Fafnir]

He was very good defensively last and has been downright awful this year. I think it is the coaching and the defensive scheme they are running that is ruining him. However with his Youth and athleticism I would certainly give them a pick and Wallace for him.

He's been good defensively this year too, when he's not busy fouling out.

[chambers]

Sometimes i feel like people enyirely overlook the salary cap and the importance of managing it.

Picking up Sanders would be like getting blackout drunk and playing GM

11 million a year for an elite rim protector that increases value playing next to Rondo isn't over the top at all. Tyson Chandler is 14 million a year and their stats are basically identical.
In fact compare Chandler's championship year in Dallas and they're like twins.
Compare his stats to Chandler's DPOY season and they're very similar- one of the major differences being that Sanders has had Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis as his guards, compared to Jason Kidd, JJ Barea and Raymond Felton.
Playing with a pass first PG like Rondo makes his FG% increase instantly with lobs, alley oops and easy passes around the rim.

I mean he's not cheap by any means, but he's not murder against the cap.

[CFAN38]

I would offer up clippers pick and nets pick this year. I think the $$ becomes tough with the structure of Sanders contract. I team with cap space would likely have to get involved like the Suns.

Its a gamble but he is young and an elite rim defender. Granted he has alot of holes in his game but pairs perfectly with sully. I also think he is the kind of guy who Rondo makes look like a star. I love the thought of sully pulling the PF to the perimeter with his range, sanders picking rondo and crashing to the rim for a lob.