Keep Avery Thread

[BballTim]

Avery's hands and finishing aren't NBA caliber, he's great but he ain't NBA starting 2 guard material on a true contender.
Why pay Avery 8 or 9 million if you can pry Lance away from the Pacers for 11 or 12 million.

  He's certainly capable of being a starting 2 guard on a true contender, just not one of the stars. For instance, it would be extremely difficult to contend without upgrading our center position but not that hard to contend with Bradley as sg. I think we need a solid upgrade to one of our wing positions to contend, but whether we upgrade sg of sf the other player (Green or Avery) is fine to keep.

[PhoSita]

For $6 mil a year or less, I'd be okay with keeping him.

[Sketch5]

We keep Bradley, but for only 5 or 6 mill. Tony Allen who is probably the best comparison gets just under 4. Bradley is a better shooter and is quicker on defense, but Allen has 2 inches and over 30lbs on Bradley. In the playoffs that would make a difference were it slows down and the refs allow more contact.

The fact that teams haven't taken advantage of posting up AB is a bit surprising. If Kobe played last night he would have been owned all night.

I like him as a spark off the bench, but for starting SG going into the future, I'm not comfortable with paying him 8+ a year, and have him starting.

So basically I say keep, but only at 5 or 6 mill and if we can get a better scoring SF and or C, or have him come off the bench.   

[CFAN38]

Unless someone drasticly over pays Avery needs to stay a celtic.

Those who are hard on him seem to be missing the point that is is only 23. He is already an A+ defender and his offense has really come around this season. For his detractors to knock his shot selection is ridiculous. Remember this kid averaged 12pts a game as a stud recruit at Texas. He is not a 1st of 2nd option on offense but has been forced into the role this year.

As an offensive player I would like to see AB become a mini RIP Hamilton. Use his quickness off screen to get open for jump shots. On a winning team I could see him as a consistent 15pt guy in this role.

As for the future barring a trade that brings in a star like love the Cs need to grow AB and Sully for the long term. If Rondo is the center piece going forward then SF will need to be upgraded (sorry Jeff) and a defensive rim protector is a must. The 3rd piece is an elite 2/3 6th man.

[PAOBoston]

It depends on the price. $5-6 million I could possibly live with. Anything above that? Sorry, it's been a nice run Avery. This team has too many holes at the moment the lock up that much money in an undersized 2 guard. It sucks but someone will give him more than $6 million per in the off season imo. That's a reason I think he might get traded, possibly in a 3 way deal and land on some contending team where he would be a role player coming off the bench for defense.

[TheWatersEdge]

We have always played better with Avery on the court.  He's by all accounts a great kid, hard-worker and is still improving.  After playing healthy all year, I would resign him, and if need be raise funds by trading JG. 

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm a big AB fan

But ...I would trade him for Haywood  in some deal  or Grreen  for Haywood

[Spicoli]

Bradley is out there looking to "Get His" similar to what Glen Davis was doing before he got traded.

Maybe that's true but before these last two games AB was shooting really well and was averaging a lot per shot too! Tonight he should have deferred more with his shot not falling but other nights his shot falls! I'd rather he take them seeing as Green has been shooting poorly a few games now and no one else is stepping up and shooting except for Sully and AB.

Avery is such a limited offensive player. He should only shoot unless he is WIDE OPEN IMO. Whenever i see him play he shoots the ball as soon as the pass hits his hands whether he is wide open or not. I would rather see KO and Sullinger take the majority of shots on the team, seeing as though Green is a non-factor.

The most i would offer Bradley is 3 years 3 mil each. I don't think he's worth a penny more than that.

[BballTim]

Bradley is out there looking to "Get His" similar to what Glen Davis was doing before he got traded.

Maybe that's true but before these last two games AB was shooting really well and was averaging a lot per shot too! Tonight he should have deferred more with his shot not falling but other nights his shot falls! I'd rather he take them seeing as Green has been shooting poorly a few games now and no one else is stepping up and shooting except for Sully and AB.

Avery is such a limited offensive player. He should only shoot unless he is WIDE OPEN IMO. Whenever i see him play he shoots the ball as soon as the pass hits his hands whether he is wide open or not. I would rather see KO and Sullinger take the majority of shots on the team, seeing as though Green is a non-factor.

The most i would offer Bradley is 3 years 3 mil each. I don't think he's worth a penny more than that.

  Bradley's hitting 38% of his threes and I'd guess he's one of the better mid-range shooters in the league. His scoring is somewhat inefficient but he scores at an average or so rate (on a level with players like Hayward or JJ or Matthews). You could call him a little below average as a scorer but there's no real reason to stop him from shooting, especially when you're trying to funnel his shots to players that don't score any more efficiently than he does.

[vjcsmoke]

Love AB's defensive game.  Don't like his offensive game.  Basically he's a rich man's Courtney Lee.  I just don't think that's worth 9-10m per season.  If we are going to pay double digit millions, I'd rather go after Lance Stephenson who plays a better all around game.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/01/17/a-to-z-lance-stephenson-indiana-pacers-all-star-nbpa-fiba-dwight-howard/4587001/

Now if AB will stay for reasonable money, then yes keep him, but it sounds like he wants to get the most that he can, and Ainge might not want to pay him that much.

[saltlover]

We keep Bradley, but for only 5 or 6 mill. Tony Allen who is probably the best comparison gets just under 4. Bradley is a better shooter and is quicker on defense, but Allen has 2 inches and over 30lbs on Bradley. In the playoffs that would make a difference were it slows down and the refs allow more contact.

The fact that teams haven't taken advantage of posting up AB is a bit surprising. If Kobe played last night he would have been owned all night.

I like him as a spark off the bench, but for starting SG going into the future, I'm not comfortable with paying him 8+ a year, and have him starting.

So basically I say keep, but only at 5 or 6 mill and if we can get a better scoring SF and or C, or have him come off the bench.

Here are Tony Allen's salaries the next three years:

2014-2015:  $4,831,461
2015-2016:  $5,168,539
2016-2017:  $5,505,618

A few things about that:

1) Tony Allen is not getting paid just under $4 million.  He'll average over $5 million per year the first three years of whatever contract Avery signs this off-season.  If you want to use what Tony Allen gets paid as a comparison, use the correct numbers.

2) Tony Allen turned 32 a week ago.  This contract is paying him until he's 35.  He will be getting worse over the life of this contract.

3) Avery Bradley is 23.  He will likely improve as a player over the life of his next contract.  Sure, it's not a guarantee, but it's very highly likely, as a) he's improved every year so far, pretty significantly, and b) most NBA players continue to improve into their mid-to-late 20's.

Accordingly, AB should command significantly more than Tony Allen.  Even if I buy the argument that Bradley is equivalent to TA right now (and I think Bradley has passed him at this point), he is going to be worth a lot more to teams over the course of his next deal than Allen. $6 million would be an absolute bargain.  Less than that he should fire his agent, and hire Tony Allen's agent.

[PhoSita]

How much do people think Gerald Henderson is worth?

Avery is a very similar offensive player who is a superior defender (albeit significantly smaller).

Henderson is making $6 million a year.

[LooseCannon]

The fact that teams haven't taken advantage of posting up AB is a bit surprising. If Kobe played last night he would have been owned all night.

He's probably better at post defense than you would expect from someone his height.  Opponents are shooting 6 of 18 when posting up against Bradley this season.

[Sketch5]

We keep Bradley, but for only 5 or 6 mill. Tony Allen who is probably the best comparison gets just under 4. Bradley is a better shooter and is quicker on defense, but Allen has 2 inches and over 30lbs on Bradley. In the playoffs that would make a difference were it slows down and the refs allow more contact.

The fact that teams haven't taken advantage of posting up AB is a bit surprising. If Kobe played last night he would have been owned all night.

I like him as a spark off the bench, but for starting SG going into the future, I'm not comfortable with paying him 8+ a year, and have him starting.

So basically I say keep, but only at 5 or 6 mill and if we can get a better scoring SF and or C, or have him come off the bench.

Here are Tony Allen's salaries the next three years:

2014-2015:  $4,831,461
2015-2016:  $5,168,539
2016-2017:  $5,505,618

A few things about that:

1) Tony Allen is not getting paid just under $4 million.  He'll average over $5 million per year the first three years of whatever contract Avery signs this off-season.  If you want to use what Tony Allen gets paid as a comparison, use the correct numbers.

2) Tony Allen turned 32 a week ago.  This contract is paying him until he's 35.  He will be getting worse over the life of this contract.

3) Avery Bradley is 23.  He will likely improve as a player over the life of his next contract.  Sure, it's not a guarantee, but it's very highly likely, as a) he's improved every year so far, pretty significantly, and b) most NBA players continue to improve into their mid-to-late 20's.

Accordingly, AB should command significantly more than Tony Allen.  Even if I buy the argument that Bradley is equivalent to TA right now (and I think Bradley has passed him at this point), he is going to be worth a lot more to teams over the course of his next deal than Allen. $6 million would be an absolute bargain.  Less than that he should fire his agent, and hire Tony Allen's agent.

Sorry, I ment just under 5 mill, @ 4,494,383 this year according to trademachine and BBreference. He's never gone over 3.3 until this year. Which should show that AB is not worth 8 mill a season. 5 to 6 max right now. Plus you don't give a guy 8 mill that hasn't played a full season.

I also thing like I said if we got in the playoffs this year, he'd get exposed guarding George or Wade. Both bigger, and could post him up. You could see that concern when Stevens had Crawford guarding the bigger backcourt players.

Still say stay on the team but at 5 to 6, not more than that.

[Evantime34]

Bradley is only 23 years old and will continue to get better. this season he has shown to be a very good skier in addition to his stellar defense. Next I expect him to start drawing more fouls and improve his scoring. He should look even better with rondo at the helm. I am fine paying him 6-8 a year as I think he continues to improve.

I would much rather move green than greet rid of Bradley who will be cheaper and has more upside.