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Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2014, 11:28:47 AM »

Offline BballTim

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Ainge is keeping Avery. He's an Ainge kinda guy.
He traded Perkins,and did not extend Tony Allen.in both cases they wanted to much money.

  He wanted to extend TA, but the Memphis thing happened too quickly.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2014, 11:30:39 AM »

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I'm loving it that AB is hoisting up shots and that Stevens is telling him to do so (if that is true as others imply).

Two reasons: 1. If he hits those shots, his trade value goes up, and we trade him for a more valuable asset.

2. (As another poster said) If he shoots poorly, we get him for lesser $$$ in the summer.

Win/Win

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2014, 11:35:55 AM »

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AB is not going to be a Celtic for long if he insists on the $$$ he wants.
I moved the cheese.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2014, 05:21:57 PM »

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As much as I like AB and his honey badger game he's very limited and only good for a backup SG..

he can obviously defend but a very limited SG
he can shoot but not efficiently, can't pass and handle the ball and a very undersized SG...

I don't understand this perception by people that AB is only good for a backup SG, isn't starter-quality, isn't efficient, yada yada. I'll give you the fact that he can't pass well or handle the ball, but that's the benefit of playing next to the best passing/ball handling PG in the league- Bradley's weaknesses are all covered by Rondo's strengths, which is part of why they fit so well together.

As for Bradley not being efficient, since when is .445 FG% & .380 3P% not efficient? Ever since the end of his sophomore season, when he started playing starter mins and took over Ray's spot in the lineup, Bradley has been very efficient. (With the exception of last yr, which is understandable, as he was coming off his double shoulder surgery.)

I understand that ppl look at Bradley and think he is undersized, but what does that matter, when he is still widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league, and can consistently lock down opposing shooting guards, whether they are taller than him or not. Just look at what he did to Harden against Houston recently-- he held Harden to one of his most inefficient shooting nights of the season.

As long as we can re-sign Bradley in the 7-10mill per season range, I say it's a no-brainer to lock him up for 3or4yrs. He is still improving game by game, and any contract at 10mil per season or less could turn out to be a steal.

Most of the SG's that ppl want to replace Bradley with, are lesser players who will demand even bigger contracts.

With the exception of Tony Allen, who is nowhere near as good of a shooter, scorer, or cutter as Bradley is, what other guards whom are talented enough to make the All-Defensive teams, can be had at 10mill per year or less? I can't think of any.

On a side note, Bradley is also developing into one of the better rebounders at the SG spot, averaging 4.2rpg this year, in under 32mpg.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2014, 06:26:20 PM »

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As much as I like AB and his honey badger game he's very limited and only good for a backup SG..

he can obviously defend but a very limited SG
he can shoot but not efficiently, can't pass and handle the ball and a very undersized SG...

I don't understand this perception by people that AB is only good for a backup SG, isn't starter-quality, isn't efficient, yada yada. I'll give you the fact that he can't pass well or handle the ball, but that's the benefit of playing next to the best passing/ball handling PG in the league- Bradley's weaknesses are all covered by Rondo's strengths, which is part of why they fit so well together.

As for Bradley not being efficient, since when is .445 FG% & .380 3P% not efficient? Ever since the end of his sophomore season, when he started playing starter mins and took over Ray's spot in the lineup, Bradley has been very efficient. (With the exception of last yr, which is understandable, as he was coming off his double shoulder surgery.)

I understand that ppl look at Bradley and think he is undersized, but what does that matter, when he is still widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league, and can consistently lock down opposing shooting guards, whether they are taller than him or not. Just look at what he did to Harden against Houston recently-- he held Harden to one of his most inefficient shooting nights of the season.

As long as we can re-sign Bradley in the 7-10mill per season range, I say it's a no-brainer to lock him up for 3or4yrs. He is still improving game by game, and any contract at 10mil per season or less could turn out to be a steal.

Most of the SG's that ppl want to replace Bradley with, are lesser players who will demand even bigger contracts.

With the exception of Tony Allen, who is nowhere near as good of a shooter, scorer, or cutter as Bradley is, what other guards whom are talented enough to make the All-Defensive teams, can be had at 10mill per year or less? I can't think of any.

On a side note, Bradley is also developing into one of the better rebounders at the SG spot, averaging 4.2rpg this year, in under 32mpg.
Whether he is considered the starter or not, I agree with you. Would love to keep this guy. Certainly part of the solution, not the problem.

Biggest compliment I can think of that you said, is his consistent improvement. He is a solid shooter now and obviously worked hard in the off season on it. No reason to think that he will not continue to improve his outside shooting, perhaps to the elite level.

Still would like to draft or acquire a lights out shooting guard with some size in addition. All the good NBA teams have multiple dangerous spot up shooters.

Still would be plenty of minutes to go around in the backcourt, especially if Rondo cuts back a bit from pre-injury playing time levels.

I do think it will take near 8 million per to sign Bradley though. My existing core is just Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley and I would love Humphries back at a major pay cut.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2014, 09:08:10 PM »

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Green + Bradley for Hayward.

Anyone think Jazz would fall for this offer?

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2014, 09:23:50 PM »

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They'll probably haggle for one of Ainge's picks.
I moved the cheese.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2014, 09:29:26 PM »

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Green + Bradley for Hayward.

Anyone think Jazz would fall for this offer?


Close ........we might need a pick


I think .....Hayward will be a Celtic ...one day

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2014, 09:39:06 PM »

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Bradley is "widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league?"  I think guys like Andre Iguodala would have something to say about that.  Is Bradley up there?  Sure, though not so much this season - but I don't think he's considered the absolute best by anyone outside of CelticsBlog.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2014, 09:54:34 PM »

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Why does everybody think Gordon Hayward is so good ? He is good but people on this board think he is a mega star or something

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2014, 09:59:59 PM »

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Bradley is "widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league?"  I think guys like Andre Iguodala would have something to say about that.  Is Bradley up there?  Sure, though not so much this season - but I don't think he's considered the absolute best by anyone outside of CelticsBlog.

According to the annual NBA GM survey released last October:

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Who is the best perimeter defender in the NBA?

1. Tony Allen, Memphis -- 36.7%

2. LeBron James, Miami -- 33.3%

3. Paul George, Indiana -- 10.0%

4. Avery Bradley, Boston; Andre Iguodala, Golden State; Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio -- 6.7%

So, two GMs not named Danny Ainge voted for Bradley as the best perimeter defender in the NBA just before the season started.  I would say the evidence clearly says that he isn't widely considered the best perimeter defender, but it would also be correct to say that it doesn't require green-tinted glasses to think that Bradley is the best.  I think that people around the league would agree with the use of the adjective
"elite" to describe his perimeter defense.
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Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2014, 10:02:56 PM »

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I have to say that I thought he should have took that shot at the end of the game instead of the clock run out pass.  I am not sure he has it mentally after that mistake folks.  Right now, his picture is next to bonehead in the dictionary.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2014, 11:05:44 PM »

Offline RRNoLookPass

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Bradley is "widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league?"  I think guys like Andre Iguodala would have something to say about that.  Is Bradley up there?  Sure, though not so much this season - but I don't think he's considered the absolute best by anyone outside of CelticsBlog.

According to the annual NBA GM survey released last October:

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Who is the best perimeter defender in the NBA?

1. Tony Allen, Memphis -- 36.7%

2. LeBron James, Miami -- 33.3%

3. Paul George, Indiana -- 10.0%

4. Avery Bradley, Boston; Andre Iguodala, Golden State; Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio -- 6.7%

So, two GMs not named Danny Ainge voted for Bradley as the best perimeter defender in the NBA just before the season started.  I would say the evidence clearly says that he isn't widely considered the best perimeter defender, but it would also be correct to say that it doesn't require green-tinted glasses to think that Bradley is the best.  I think that people around the league would agree with the use of the adjective
"elite" to describe his perimeter defense.

Ok yeah, I'll admit that my statement about Bradley being widely considered the best perimeter defender in the NBA may have been a bit of a stretch. On the contrary, it is completely naïve to say that nobody outside of Celticsblog considers him the best perimeter defender. It doesn't take much research to find comments where other players, coaches, and GMs have praised him for his top quality defense. The quote that Loosecannon posted from the GM survey is a perfect example. I can see arguing that Paul George or TA is a slightly better defender, but evidently Iggy didn't get anymore votes than Bradley did in that latest GM survey.

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2014, 11:52:10 PM »

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Fair enough, the post just seemed a bit reminiscent of other similar messages trumpeting certain Celtic players as being the best (insert descriptor here).

Re: Keep Avery Thread
« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2014, 12:47:46 AM »

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I'm about ready to give up anybody but Sully and Rondo to get a serious center.

Olynyk is also a keeper.

I would trade bradley. There is a reason Danny did not give him the money he wanted to seemed like he deserved.

The guy will shoot 11-20 and score 22 points. Its ultra ineffficient

Good defender but lacks ideal height and is not very good offensively. If his 2 pt jump shot is not working he has no other way to get his game going offensively
 

11 of 20 is ultra inefficient ?

Lol, exactly. Avery is one of four ballers on this team. He can be had for between 6-7... other teams know his limitations. And he's a championship piece. AND, you're not landing Lance Stephenson. 0% chance. They have a potential dynasty budding over there.

How do they match salary if we offer Lance 12 million a year?

Avery's hands and finishing aren't NBA caliber, he's great but he ain't NBA starting 2 guard material on a true contender.
Why pay Avery 8 or 9 million if you can pry Lance away from the Pacers for 11 or 12 million.

My quote was 6-7 for Bradley, max. And I don't think we can pry Lance away for that money. Again, they have a potential dynasty over there. Relatedly, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to overpay him. And regardless, he isn't coming here... not even for 11-12.
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