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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #150 on: February 02, 2014, 11:20:32 AM »

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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #151 on: February 02, 2014, 11:48:35 AM »

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Selden had a nice game offensively against Texas but wow is he bad defensively.  His defense has been awful all season. It's less freshman issues of team defense and more just a severe lack of lateral quickness.  He's a good run and jump athlete but he almost never contains his man off the dribble.  The only time he "contains" his man is if he settles for jumpers off the dribble.  I'm not sure he's good enough offensively to make up for his defensive issues.

I hope Parker can regain his scoring efficiency.  He's been shooting under 40 percent for most of his games since his hot start.  It looks like he's slower off his feet or maybe  he's always been that way.  He's a good leaper with space, better than Pierce at the same age but he doesn't pop off the ground.  It's affected him on drives as it's enabled defenders to block a lot of his shots.  Carmelo's an average at best finisher around the basket as well (albeit in the much higher level of the NBA) so it's possible for Parker to be a high volume scorer with the other weapons he has in his arsenal.

I can't tell which Harrison twin is doing what but both of them had good games against Missouri.  There's still time for them to rehabilitate their draft stock and go mid-first round.  They could be in play for the Nets/Hawks pick.
That's odd because Bill Self specifically assigned Selden's main role as a "defensive and physical presence in containing bigger back court players". Self is first and foremost a defensive coach.

Parker may well be a fantastic NBA player. I saw him at Simeon and he is the same guy, although in better shape than after his injury.

Not trying to hate on the guy, but a "top three pick" in the "draft of the decade" should not need "three years of NBA training" as the above poster suggests? That type of development is more indicative of an average top 5 draft pick in an average draft year.

Problem with this? Let's say you develop the player for three years. And assuming he develops, you are then faced with a forth year of "the free agent decision game drama". Then his rookie contract is over and you or someone else has to cough up a max deal.

There are rare exceptions to developing young talent to a championship contender, but the odds are very slim. That where the Pacers and OKC are at right now.

The Pacers have a top five player in the league making under $3.2 million this year and a top 25 player making under $1 million. Next year this same combination will be more in the $25 million range combined, instead of the $4 million combined this year. Pacers are all in this year. That is why Bynum makes sense.

OKC has drafted near perfectly. Almost too perfect, as they could not even afford to sign all the star players they have drafted and had to decide between Ibaka and Harden. Nice problem to have.

So if you think Parker could be Paul George before his rookie deal is up, than he is the guy. Way too early for me to put anyone from this class except Embiid, in the difference maker category.



 

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #152 on: February 02, 2014, 04:43:39 PM »

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Selden had a nice game offensively against Texas but wow is he bad defensively.  His defense has been awful all season. It's less freshman issues of team defense and more just a severe lack of lateral quickness.  He's a good run and jump athlete but he almost never contains his man off the dribble.  The only time he "contains" his man is if he settles for jumpers off the dribble.  I'm not sure he's good enough offensively to make up for his defensive issues.

I hope Parker can regain his scoring efficiency.  He's been shooting under 40 percent for most of his games since his hot start.  It looks like he's slower off his feet or maybe  he's always been that way.  He's a good leaper with space, better than Pierce at the same age but he doesn't pop off the ground.  It's affected him on drives as it's enabled defenders to block a lot of his shots.  Carmelo's an average at best finisher around the basket as well (albeit in the much higher level of the NBA) so it's possible for Parker to be a high volume scorer with the other weapons he has in his arsenal.

I can't tell which Harrison twin is doing what but both of them had good games against Missouri.  There's still time for them to rehabilitate their draft stock and go mid-first round.  They could be in play for the Nets/Hawks pick.
That's odd because Bill Self specifically assigned Selden's main role as a "defensive and physical presence in containing bigger back court players". Self is first and foremost a defensive coach.

Parker may well be a fantastic NBA player. I saw him at Simeon and he is the same guy, although in better shape than after his injury.

Not trying to hate on the guy, but a "top three pick" in the "draft of the decade" should not need "three years of NBA training" as the above poster suggests? That type of development is more indicative of an average top 5 draft pick in an average draft year.

Problem with this? Let's say you develop the player for three years. And assuming he develops, you are then faced with a forth year of "the free agent decision game drama". Then his rookie contract is over and you or someone else has to cough up a max deal.

There are rare exceptions to developing young talent to a championship contender, but the odds are very slim. That where the Pacers and OKC are at right now.

The Pacers have a top five player in the league making under $3.2 million this year and a top 25 player making under $1 million. Next year this same combination will be more in the $25 million range combined, instead of the $4 million combined this year. Pacers are all in this year. That is why Bynum makes sense.

OKC has drafted near perfectly. Almost too perfect, as they could not even afford to sign all the star players they have drafted and had to decide between Ibaka and Harden. Nice problem to have.

So if you think Parker could be Paul George before his rookie deal is up, than he is the guy. Way too early for me to put anyone from this class except Embiid, in the difference maker category.

It seems like Selden is out there for his offense more than anything.  He can't keep anyone in front of him.  His hips are really tight. 

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #153 on: February 03, 2014, 07:48:38 PM »

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Intrigued by this kid. He's 19 and has some work to do (as with a lot if not most prospects) but you can already tell that he's imposing.

He's at #24 in DraftExpress. Brooklyn/ATL pick anyone?
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2014, 09:36:39 PM »

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Intrigued by this kid. He's 19 and has some work to do (as with a lot if not most prospects) but you can already tell that he's imposing.

He's at #24 in DraftExpress. Brooklyn/ATL pick anyone?

not for me. He barely gets off the ground.  He will get his shots swatted left and right





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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #155 on: February 03, 2014, 09:40:52 PM »

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Hey triboy, how giddy were you when Jerami Grant stuffed Jabari at the rim on Saturday?  :P

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #156 on: February 03, 2014, 09:42:44 PM »

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Hey triboy, how giddy were you when Jerami Grant stuffed Jabari at the rim on Saturday?  :P

that was amazing! 

Grant is going to be a nice player. Even if he never polishes his offensive game, he will be able to score over you. So athletic

For a guy who needs another 10-15 pounds he is not shy to play physical.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #157 on: February 04, 2014, 11:35:43 PM »

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another player flying under the radar is Adreian Payne. Has improved every year in college.  A nice package for a big man, especially has the ability to shoot the long range at a good rate

Thought if he cameout last year Danny might choose him

His body, athleticism, skills and intensity kind of remind that of KG's.  Maybe like a poor man version

A player that Danny can consider with Brooklyns 1st in 2014. But also i wouldn't be surprised if he gets chosen much earlier. Looks like a player that can do even better in the nba

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #158 on: February 04, 2014, 11:47:19 PM »

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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2014, 12:02:24 AM »

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I can't believe that everyone thinks Aaron Craft couldn't carve out rotation minutes on a decent team tomorrow. Watched the Iowa game, I mean..he's a gamer. He has an incredible motor and head on his shoulders. He'd land on his feet in the NBA.

I like craft and think he will be a good backup in the nba. But i read he will go to medicine school next

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2014, 05:51:17 AM »

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Intrigued by this kid. He's 19 and has some work to do (as with a lot if not most prospects) but you can already tell that he's imposing.

He's at #24 in DraftExpress. Brooklyn/ATL pick anyone?

Celtics just don't draft foreigners unless it's in the 2nd round or later.  Dunno, if Embiid falls to us, I think he's going to be the guy.  wings/sf unless they are special are pretty easy to get in the mid 1st to later parts of the draft where we will have a pick or two.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2014, 07:44:40 AM »

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another player flying under the radar is Adreian Payne. Has improved every year in college.  A nice package for a big man, especially has the ability to shoot the long range at a good rate

Thought if he cameout last year Danny might choose him

His body, athleticism, skills and intensity kind of remind that of KG's.  Maybe like a poor man version

A player that Danny can consider with Brooklyns 1st in 2014. But also i wouldn't be surprised if he gets chosen much earlier. Looks like a player that can do even better in the nba
for what it is worth, i know adreian and he is a student in a class taught by my good friend. his "good guy" character is about off the charts. you will always get his best effort.

he did not come out for the draft last year for a great reason. he is very good friends with a small girl in a nearby town. the girl has cancer and adreian wanted to stay here while she went through treatment, to see her every week, etc. i kid you not.

he also has some serious learning disabilities, but attends classes regularly and does the work. he never minds hard work and tries in class despite a heavy basketball and practice schedule.

everyone here thinks the world of this guy. he is a decent, good human being.

having said that, as an nba player he will be a rotation guy on a good team. at #20 the celtics may wish to go for someone who provides a specific skill or ability that fits with the team.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2014, 08:19:57 AM »

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another player flying under the radar is Adreian Payne. Has improved every year in college.  A nice package for a big man, especially has the ability to shoot the long range at a good rate

Thought if he cameout last year Danny might choose him

His body, athleticism, skills and intensity kind of remind that of KG's.  Maybe like a poor man version

A player that Danny can consider with Brooklyns 1st in 2014. But also i wouldn't be surprised if he gets chosen much earlier. Looks like a player that can do even better in the nba
for what it is worth, i know adreian and he is a student in a class taught by my good friend. his "good guy" character is about off the charts. you will always get his best effort.

he did not come out for the draft last year for a great reason. he is very good friends with a small girl in a nearby town. the girl has cancer and adreian wanted to stay here while she went through treatment, to see her every week, etc. i kid you not.

he also has some serious learning disabilities, but attends classes regularly and does the work. he never minds hard work and tries in class despite a heavy basketball and practice schedule.

everyone here thinks the world of this guy. he is a decent, good human being.

having said that, as an nba player he will be a rotation guy on a good team. at #20 the celtics may wish to go for someone who provides a specific skill or ability that fits with the team.

Wow. Sounds like a pretty awesome guy. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Disussion Thread
« Reply #163 on: February 05, 2014, 09:21:07 AM »

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Jabbari Parker scores 21 points on 8/10 shooting.

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« Reply #164 on: February 05, 2014, 09:42:49 AM »

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More and more news about how Joel Embiid is going to stay in school another year. UGHHHHH Embiid how can you do this to us!