Marshon Brooks to the Red Claws

[Lucky17]

Deadline coming. If Brooks goes out and scores 30 a night, even in the d-league, maybe they can get an iota of value for him before he's deal's up. I assume that's the reasoning...

He's off to a nice start assuming the above. My question: are there any contenders or pretenders who have a clear need for a scorer (chucker) at the 2 off the bench? And would they give up a 2nd for Brooks?

Chicago could desperately use some scoring off the bench.

Although I think they'd be more interested in Crawford than Brooks.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Deadline coming. If Brooks goes out and scores 30 a night, even in the d-league, maybe they can get an iota of value for him before he's deal's up. I assume that's the reasoning...

He's off to a nice start assuming the above. My question: are there any contenders or pretenders who have a clear need for a scorer (chucker) at the 2 off the bench? And would they give up a 2nd for Brooks?

Yea we know Brooks isn't good enough to play (I'd rather play FAB if he were here)! (to other posters)


If it's for a second rounder, you should just keep him. Well, guess you can't since his contract is up. I can only wonder what he'll be asking for, I think he should still be getting rookie pay and I'd be hard pressed to give him that. He is a scorer in a league full of scorers (does he do efficiently?), he'll need to do more to stay (in the NBA) and get paid. Actually if Bargnani can make it, Brooks can too. I'd like to see him play more minutes to see if the D has improved at all but from the few mins I have seen 0.0 :0  I was so happy he was a throw in, I just knew he would come back improved and be serviceable on D... I just knew we got a steal. Part of it was b/c I feel that way about everybody we get, lol like when they become a Celtics they would magically become better. Part of it was because I thought if anyone can help him it'd be Adams.

Maybe he is improved, maybe he will soon get a real chance to prove it, I'm just not holding out hope.

[jc3celticsphan]

Deadline coming. If Brooks goes out and scores 30 a night, even in the d-league, maybe they can get an iota of value for him before he's deal's up. I assume that's the reasoning...

He's off to a nice start assuming the above. My question: are there any contenders or pretenders who have a clear need for a scorer (chucker) at the 2 off the bench? And would they give up a 2nd for Brooks?

Chicago could desperately use some scoring off the bench.

Although I think they'd be more interested in Crawford than Brooks.

which would be a good idea of selling crawford and let brooks grow and he would be a cheaper(ATM) scorer off the bench

[chambers]

Am I a psychic or what?

When TWill was rumored to be signing with Maine, many people took it as a sign we were about to make a trade and then sign TWill with the big club.


To me, this seems more like a cause for that type of speculation. Why not send him down long ago? It's not like he's going to learn much in the D-League, he is going down to get burn to get in a rhythm to come back up and get PT. CBS said he isn't expected to be there long. Now, why would Brooks be getting into game shape? There are no injuries to the other guards ahead of him and he hasn't done anything to take the spot (much less the fact that RR will be out there soon). Trying to get him in game shape, for what exactly? Is he gonna get in game shape to come back up and wave a towel?? It's not like teams need to see what he can do, they pretty much know and it's not like he makes too much, they could get him for pennies if they want him. They say that we aren't going to have time for practices as sort of a reason but it's not as if we haven't been dealing with that all season.


Yea, I'm thinking something is up... a little fishy.

I was thinking the exact same thing, I wondered why he hadn't gotten any burn considering his numbers, length and potential.
I was mulling over whether or not we've been keeping him under wraps so we can sign him to a nice cheap offer sheet and build up his value once Crawford or Avery are gone.
He's much better than his playing time suggests and even with the clogged guard rotation I'm surprised our stats hungry coaching staff haven't played him more.
Keeping him under wraps and showcasing our better trade assets more?
You are very right about the T Will analogy...eerily similar.

TP

Most plausible explanation why he hasn't gotten any playing time with the big league team: the players that are playing are much better than he is and have earned the playing time. Remember, the players playing in front of him are young, not 10+ year, grizzled old vets but young players. So there is no need to sit young players playing well to give time to another young player that isn't playing well to develop them through the most ridiculous method possible, giving them playing time they haven't earned.

Most plausible explanation for Brooks going to Maine and only going to be there a short while: the team doesn't want to take him on a two week trip where they will have no practices and he is going to get no playing time. Best thing to do in this instance is just let him get run down in Maine and let him stay in game shape and that way when the team comes back to Boston and its time to practice with the big league team, he can be recalled and not be out of shape to practice.

I'm going to assume the first paragraph had nothing to do with me b/c I never said he was good enough to play, that was my point, even when he comes back there are better people ahead of him so it's not like he is going to get minutes when he comes back either way. So, if it's b/c of no practices, we have had a stretch like this b4 and he stayed. Let's just say that is the real reason, why not send Vitor down too it's not like he has been getting PT either? I don't even want Brooks to play b/c of that tragic defense, so I don't mind that they sent him down. I think he is so far away from playing right now that even an injury won't get him PT, so like I said b4 maybe he is staying ready so he can stand longer while waiving a towel.

I also came to this idea b/c I thought that it didn't make sense when people said it about TWill, I think this makes more sense in relation when it comes to Brooks.

Also, no way in heck do I think he will be or want AB to be in any discussions about trades, that's my fav player. I hope the trade if any (I'm fine with no trades matter of fact), will involve Brooks! Keep him ready for his next team by sending him down!

I don't even agree with a lot of the things that poster said, those weren't even my thoughts. I don't see Crawford or AB being dealt, if anything it would be Lee. I don't think Brooks is better than he has shown, he always knew how to get his, he can't defend to save his own life!

That was meant a whole lot more for chambers than for you Shak.

BTW, maybe Vitor is traveling with the team because of Sullinger's bad thumb and the fact, he really is the only center on the whole team.

Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works [/b]

[Celtics18]

Time to call him back up. 

[nickagneta]

Am I a psychic or what?

When TWill was rumored to be signing with Maine, many people took it as a sign we were about to make a trade and then sign TWill with the big club.


To me, this seems more like a cause for that type of speculation. Why not send him down long ago? It's not like he's going to learn much in the D-League, he is going down to get burn to get in a rhythm to come back up and get PT. CBS said he isn't expected to be there long. Now, why would Brooks be getting into game shape? There are no injuries to the other guards ahead of him and he hasn't done anything to take the spot (much less the fact that RR will be out there soon). Trying to get him in game shape, for what exactly? Is he gonna get in game shape to come back up and wave a towel?? It's not like teams need to see what he can do, they pretty much know and it's not like he makes too much, they could get him for pennies if they want him. They say that we aren't going to have time for practices as sort of a reason but it's not as if we haven't been dealing with that all season.


Yea, I'm thinking something is up... a little fishy.

I was thinking the exact same thing, I wondered why he hadn't gotten any burn considering his numbers, length and potential.
I was mulling over whether or not we've been keeping him under wraps so we can sign him to a nice cheap offer sheet and build up his value once Crawford or Avery are gone.
He's much better than his playing time suggests and even with the clogged guard rotation I'm surprised our stats hungry coaching staff haven't played him more.
Keeping him under wraps and showcasing our better trade assets more?
You are very right about the T Will analogy...eerily similar.

TP

Most plausible explanation why he hasn't gotten any playing time with the big league team: the players that are playing are much better than he is and have earned the playing time. Remember, the players playing in front of him are young, not 10+ year, grizzled old vets but young players. So there is no need to sit young players playing well to give time to another young player that isn't playing well to develop them through the most ridiculous method possible, giving them playing time they haven't earned.

Most plausible explanation for Brooks going to Maine and only going to be there a short while: the team doesn't want to take him on a two week trip where they will have no practices and he is going to get no playing time. Best thing to do in this instance is just let him get run down in Maine and let him stay in game shape and that way when the team comes back to Boston and its time to practice with the big league team, he can be recalled and not be out of shape to practice.

I'm going to assume the first paragraph had nothing to do with me b/c I never said he was good enough to play, that was my point, even when he comes back there are better people ahead of him so it's not like he is going to get minutes when he comes back either way. So, if it's b/c of no practices, we have had a stretch like this b4 and he stayed. Let's just say that is the real reason, why not send Vitor down too it's not like he has been getting PT either? I don't even want Brooks to play b/c of that tragic defense, so I don't mind that they sent him down. I think he is so far away from playing right now that even an injury won't get him PT, so like I said b4 maybe he is staying ready so he can stand longer while waiving a towel.

I also came to this idea b/c I thought that it didn't make sense when people said it about TWill, I think this makes more sense in relation when it comes to Brooks.

Also, no way in heck do I think he will be or want AB to be in any discussions about trades, that's my fav player. I hope the trade if any (I'm fine with no trades matter of fact), will involve Brooks! Keep him ready for his next team by sending him down!

I don't even agree with a lot of the things that poster said, those weren't even my thoughts. I don't see Crawford or AB being dealt, if anything it would be Lee. I don't think Brooks is better than he has shown, he always knew how to get his, he can't defend to save his own life!

That was meant a whole lot more for chambers than for you Shak.

BTW, maybe Vitor is traveling with the team because of Sullinger's bad thumb and the fact, he really is the only center on the whole team.

Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works [/b]

While you earn a TP for smelling out a trade, this still doesn't change anything for Brooks who is in Maine because they didn't want him on the trip because he is their 15th player on the depth charts and they wouldn't need him for practices because there wouldn't be any practices.

Bayless, a guard, just replaces Lee, another guard, and Brooks stays in Maine.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Am I a psychic or what?

When TWill was rumored to be signing with Maine, many people took it as a sign we were about to make a trade and then sign TWill with the big club.


To me, this seems more like a cause for that type of speculation. Why not send him down long ago? It's not like he's going to learn much in the D-League, he is going down to get burn to get in a rhythm to come back up and get PT. CBS said he isn't expected to be there long. Now, why would Brooks be getting into game shape? There are no injuries to the other guards ahead of him and he hasn't done anything to take the spot (much less the fact that RR will be out there soon). Trying to get him in game shape, for what exactly? Is he gonna get in game shape to come back up and wave a towel?? It's not like teams need to see what he can do, they pretty much know and it's not like he makes too much, they could get him for pennies if they want him. They say that we aren't going to have time for practices as sort of a reason but it's not as if we haven't been dealing with that all season.


Yea, I'm thinking something is up... a little fishy.

I was thinking the exact same thing, I wondered why he hadn't gotten any burn considering his numbers, length and potential.
I was mulling over whether or not we've been keeping him under wraps so we can sign him to a nice cheap offer sheet and build up his value once Crawford or Avery are gone.
He's much better than his playing time suggests and even with the clogged guard rotation I'm surprised our stats hungry coaching staff haven't played him more.
Keeping him under wraps and showcasing our better trade assets more?
You are very right about the T Will analogy...eerily similar.

TP

Most plausible explanation why he hasn't gotten any playing time with the big league team: the players that are playing are much better than he is and have earned the playing time. Remember, the players playing in front of him are young, not 10+ year, grizzled old vets but young players. So there is no need to sit young players playing well to give time to another young player that isn't playing well to develop them through the most ridiculous method possible, giving them playing time they haven't earned.

Most plausible explanation for Brooks going to Maine and only going to be there a short while: the team doesn't want to take him on a two week trip where they will have no practices and he is going to get no playing time. Best thing to do in this instance is just let him get run down in Maine and let him stay in game shape and that way when the team comes back to Boston and its time to practice with the big league team, he can be recalled and not be out of shape to practice.

I'm going to assume the first paragraph had nothing to do with me b/c I never said he was good enough to play, that was my point, even when he comes back there are better people ahead of him so it's not like he is going to get minutes when he comes back either way. So, if it's b/c of no practices, we have had a stretch like this b4 and he stayed. Let's just say that is the real reason, why not send Vitor down too it's not like he has been getting PT either? I don't even want Brooks to play b/c of that tragic defense, so I don't mind that they sent him down. I think he is so far away from playing right now that even an injury won't get him PT, so like I said b4 maybe he is staying ready so he can stand longer while waiving a towel.

I also came to this idea b/c I thought that it didn't make sense when people said it about TWill, I think this makes more sense in relation when it comes to Brooks.

Also, no way in heck do I think he will be or want AB to be in any discussions about trades, that's my fav player. I hope the trade if any (I'm fine with no trades matter of fact), will involve Brooks! Keep him ready for his next team by sending him down!

I don't even agree with a lot of the things that poster said, those weren't even my thoughts. I don't see Crawford or AB being dealt, if anything it would be Lee. I don't think Brooks is better than he has shown, he always knew how to get his, he can't defend to save his own life!

That was meant a whole lot more for chambers than for you Shak.

BTW, maybe Vitor is traveling with the team because of Sullinger's bad thumb and the fact, he really is the only center on the whole team.

Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works [/b]

While you earn a TP for smelling out a trade, this still doesn't change anything for Brooks who is in Maine because they didn't want him on the trip because he is their 15th player on the depth charts and they wouldn't need him for practices because there wouldn't be any practices.

Bayless, a guard, just replaces Lee, another guard, and Brooks stays in Maine.

Nah, makes more sense that you bring Brooks back to get minutes b/c he has been here and knows the schemes. Sure he may stay in Maine but hahaha... we knew it was fishy...


I TOLD YOU IT WOULD BE LEE... not AB or Craw! *knocks on wood* For now...

[nickagneta]

TP for you too Shak....you guy's trade-dars are in fine working order.

[ssspence]

Deadline coming. If Brooks goes out and scores 30 a night, even in the d-league, maybe they can get an iota of value for him before he's deal's up. I assume that's the reasoning...

He's off to a nice start assuming the above. My question: are there any contenders or pretenders who have a clear need for a scorer (chucker) at the 2 off the bench? And would they give up a 2nd for Brooks?

Chicago could desperately use some scoring off the bench.

Although I think they'd be more interested in Crawford than Brooks.

Brooks had an even better night tonight. Gonna bump this thing until he stops killing it in Maine.

[saltlover]

Deadline coming. If Brooks goes out and scores 30 a night, even in the d-league, maybe they can get an iota of value for him before he's deal's up. I assume that's the reasoning...

He's off to a nice start assuming the above. My question: are there any contenders or pretenders who have a clear need for a scorer (chucker) at the 2 off the bench? And would they give up a 2nd for Brooks?

Chicago could desperately use some scoring off the bench.

Although I think they'd be more interested in Crawford than Brooks.

Brooks had an even better night tonight. Gonna bump this thing until he stops killing it in Maine.

36 points.  He's gunning a bit (28 shots), but he shot 50%, so wasn't really inefficient.  Also had 5 steals.

I do think that Brooks will get some minutes once he's back up here with Lee out of the picture.

[SHAQATTACK]

Danny building up is trade value .....

Gonna dump Him when the price is high and right

Here comes the rest of the tank job

No playoff folks

[GreenWarrior]

considering brooks is the polar opposite of green, any chance brooks was sent down to get him ready for some serious mins? and maybe it's green who will get dealt & not brooks?

we could be showcasing brooks all we want but the only value he really has right now is as a throw-in to another deal. imo you don't showcase a guy who is just a throw in.

I think it's a possibility that the brooks era might be underway. for better or worse.

[painter33]

M. Brooks, Mine Red Claws:

G  GS  MPG  FG%   3P%   FT%   OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO   PF   PPG
3  3     38.0  49.3  42.9   .750   2.0   5.0   7.0   4.7   2.0   1.7   2.67   3.67   29.0

Clearly Brooks is superior to his D-League opponents.   However, minutes translate to productions and his history with the Nets makes that point - as a rookie he was forced into heavy minutes and his performance was good for a first-year player.  Losing minutes to more established players on the Nets and now the Celtics has kept him from achieving a necessary comfort level when he was getting into games.  At the first opportunity, I'd like to see him in the Celtics lineup playing significant minutes, but AB and JC are playing well and Rondo will return. If Ainge does try to avoid the problem of signing both Bradley and Crawford, it might open the rotation to require more from Brooks (Bayless is now in the mix, a further complication).  MarShon gives them more size at the position, and he might be able to draw defenses out a bit to open the inside.  He gives Stevens flexibility to put a big or small team on the floor when it's advantageous; none of the other guards can do that.

There also may be another factor working against Brooks if he were to play up to his offensive potential - it might create a compromise to Ainge's current short-term vision for the team.  Having a potent 2 guard with Rondo at point might put the Celtics into dangerous (for the vision) territory of finishing too high.   

[vjcsmoke]

He is a tough fit for the pro game. Sneaky good player - like Pierce in some ways.

ROFL, Brooks isn't worthy of holding Pierce's jock.  There's a reason Brooks is heading to the red claws.  Pierce on the other hand was our captain for many years.  He was a star from the moment he was drafted.

I'll be happy if we can manage to flip Brooks for a draft pick.

[vjcsmoke]

M. Brooks, Mine Red Claws:

G  GS  MPG  FG%   3P%   FT%   OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO   PF   PPG
3  3     38.0  49.3  42.9   .750   2.0   5.0   7.0   4.7   2.0   1.7   2.67   3.67   29.0

Clearly Brooks is superior to his D-League opponents.   However, minutes translate to productions and his history with the Nets makes that point - as a rookie he was forced into heavy minutes and his performance was good for a first-year player.  Losing minutes to more established players on the Nets and now the Celtics has kept him from achieving a necessary comfort level when he was getting into games.  At the first opportunity, I'd like to see him in the Celtics lineup playing significant minutes, but AB and JC are playing well and Rondo will return. If Ainge does try to avoid the problem of signing both Bradley and Crawford, it might open the rotation to require more from Brooks (Bayless is now in the mix, a further complication).  MarShon gives them more size at the position, and he might be able to draw defenses out a bit to open the inside.  He gives Stevens flexibility to put a big or small team on the floor when it's advantageous; none of the other guards can do that.

There also may be another factor working against Brooks if he were to play up to his offensive potential - it might create a compromise to Ainge's current short-term vision for the team.  Having a potent 2 guard with Rondo at point might put the Celtics into dangerous (for the vision) territory of finishing too high.   

Seriously, what are you smoking, and can I have some?  Are you trying to compare D-League production with NBA production because it simply doesn't work.  Brooks poses no danger of 'playing too well'. 

If he were playing well enough to crack an NBA roster he would be playing for us by now.  Bass and Hump are playing well, and I'm sure Ainge is pleased.  They have upped their trade value.  Ainge is looking for chips to improve the team.  Pay attention to the memo - we're not tanking.  But we will trade anybody in order to improve the roster down the road.