Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

[PhoSita]

On the '14 pick vs. '15 pick -- a little bit of bad injury luck and the Celtics could easily be a lottery team even with Asik.

Bad idea to trade away our pick for this  year when it's still December.

  It might not be too bad to offer them the worse of the two picks.

  Not for nothing, but this is why draft picks are fairly valuable. The chance that the pick will be better than expected.

Right.  It's why I'm very reluctant as a general rule to trade 1st round picks.  Especially when the team really needs young, cost-controlled talent with upside.

It's hard enough for me to get on board with trading a 1st of any description for a 27 year old role player like Asik -- however good he may be at the role he does play.

Bad idea in my opinion to "sweeten" a trade package like this with a 1st of your own unless your team is so good that you're assured of it being in the 20s and the player you're getting back is a guy you plan on keeping long term.

This Asik deal seems like a sell-high / buy-low thing to me.  Sell high on Bass, buy low on Asik and then flip him later.  That's a nice enough idea, if that's what Danny is going for.  But trading away our own pick in a rebuilding year (yes, it still is even with Asik) is too high a price for that.

[blink]

On the '14 pick vs. '15 pick -- a little bit of bad injury luck and the Celtics could easily be a lottery team even with Asik.

Bad idea to trade away our pick for this  year when it's still December.

  It might not be too bad to offer them the worse of the two picks.

  Not for nothing, but this is why draft picks are fairly valuable. The chance that the pick will be better than expected.

Right.  It's why I'm very reluctant as a general rule to trade 1st round picks.  Especially when the team really needs young, cost-controlled talent with upside.

It's hard enough for me to get on board with trading a 1st of any description for a 27 year old role player like Asik -- however good he may be at the role he does play.

Bad idea in my opinion to "sweeten" a trade package like this with a 1st of your own unless your team is so good that you're assured of it being in the 20s and the player you're getting back is a guy you plan on keeping long term.

This Asik deal seems like a sell-high / buy-low thing to me.  Sell high on Bass, buy low on Asik and then flip him later.  That's a nice enough idea, if that's what Danny is going for.  But trading away our own pick in a rebuilding year (yes, it still is even with Asik) is too high a price for that.

I tend to agree with you.  I am just concerned about having another 1 way player that we end up paying big money for if we want to keep him long term.  (i mean next years money is big money at 15 mil, but I mean over 3-4 years)

I understand the theory that you need a big center, and that obviously we don't have a starting caliber one right now.  I just wonder if Asik is worth the deal.

[BballTim]

On the '14 pick vs. '15 pick -- a little bit of bad injury luck and the Celtics could easily be a lottery team even with Asik.

Bad idea to trade away our pick for this  year when it's still December.

  It might not be too bad to offer them the worse of the two picks.

  Not for nothing, but this is why draft picks are fairly valuable. The chance that the pick will be better than expected.

Right.  It's why I'm very reluctant as a general rule to trade 1st round picks.  Especially when the team really needs young, cost-controlled talent with upside.

It's hard enough for me to get on board with trading a 1st of any description for a 27 year old role player like Asik -- however good he may be at the role he does play.

Bad idea in my opinion to "sweeten" a trade package like this with a 1st of your own unless your team is so good that you're assured of it being in the 20s and the player you're getting back is a guy you plan on keeping long term.

This Asik deal seems like a sell-high / buy-low thing to me.  Sell high on Bass, buy low on Asik and then flip him later.  That's a nice enough idea, if that's what Danny is going for.  But trading away our own pick in a rebuilding year (yes, it still is even with Asik) is too high a price for that.

  A role player who's among the best in the league at two valuable skills. Since we're playing Detroit, compare Asik last year to Drummond this year:

 http://bkref.com/tiny/aNta6

  Obviously Drummond scores more and is quite a bit younger (with a higher ceiling) but considering Asik's defense I don't think a draft pick is too steep (especially if they take Lee and his salary).

[Kane3387]

On the '14 pick vs. '15 pick -- a little bit of bad injury luck and the Celtics could easily be a lottery team even with Asik.

Bad idea to trade away our pick for this  year when it's still December.

  It might not be too bad to offer them the worse of the two picks.

  Not for nothing, but this is why draft picks are fairly valuable. The chance that the pick will be better than expected.

Right.  It's why I'm very reluctant as a general rule to trade 1st round picks.  Especially when the team really needs young, cost-controlled talent with upside.

It's hard enough for me to get on board with trading a 1st of any description for a 27 year old role player like Asik -- however good he may be at the role he does play.

Bad idea in my opinion to "sweeten" a trade package like this with a 1st of your own unless your team is so good that you're assured of it being in the 20s and the player you're getting back is a guy you plan on keeping long term.

This Asik deal seems like a sell-high / buy-low thing to me.  Sell high on Bass, buy low on Asik and then flip him later.  That's a nice enough idea, if that's what Danny is going for.  But trading away our own pick in a rebuilding year (yes, it still is even with Asik) is too high a price for that.

Completely agree

[PhoSita]

On the '14 pick vs. '15 pick -- a little bit of bad injury luck and the Celtics could easily be a lottery team even with Asik.

Bad idea to trade away our pick for this  year when it's still December.

  It might not be too bad to offer them the worse of the two picks.

  Not for nothing, but this is why draft picks are fairly valuable. The chance that the pick will be better than expected.

Right.  It's why I'm very reluctant as a general rule to trade 1st round picks.  Especially when the team really needs young, cost-controlled talent with upside.

It's hard enough for me to get on board with trading a 1st of any description for a 27 year old role player like Asik -- however good he may be at the role he does play.

Bad idea in my opinion to "sweeten" a trade package like this with a 1st of your own unless your team is so good that you're assured of it being in the 20s and the player you're getting back is a guy you plan on keeping long term.

This Asik deal seems like a sell-high / buy-low thing to me.  Sell high on Bass, buy low on Asik and then flip him later.  That's a nice enough idea, if that's what Danny is going for.  But trading away our own pick in a rebuilding year (yes, it still is even with Asik) is too high a price for that.

  A role player who's among the best in the league at two valuable skills. Since we're playing Detroit, compare Asik last year to Drummond this year:

 http://bkref.com/tiny/aNta6

  Obviously Drummond scores more and is quite a bit younger (with a higher ceiling) but considering Asik's defense I don't think a draft pick is too steep (especially if they take Lee and his salary).

If the plan is to try and win right away with Rondo / Bradley / Green / Sullinger / Asik, then it would make some sense.

Asik could make this defense elite, if he can play 30+ minutes a night.

But if they choose to pay him and Bradley beyond this season and next, that's pretty much all of the cap tied up in those players. 

[danglertx]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

[PhoSita]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

Yeah, those reasons are why I'm fine with the deal if it's the Clippers pick, which is probably in the 25-30 range next year.

[fairweatherfan]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

Better than that - we'll be paying Asik $15 million if he's here next year, but the cap figure is only $8.3.  So we actually save cap money next year.

[danglertx]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

Better than that - we'll be paying Asik $15 million if he's here next year, but the cap figure is only $8.3.  So we actually save cap money next year.

Yeah, I was just adding the difference between Bass and Asik.  I assume we will have to fill Lee's spot.

[kingtutts]

Danny surely isn't fullish enough to give up an unprotected draft pick.  You can rest assured whatever pick he gives up will have some protection.  And I highly doubt he gives up any 2014 picks.

[LarBrd33]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

Better than that - we'll be paying Asik $15 million if he's here next year, but the cap figure is only $8.3.  So we actually save cap money next year.

I thought Lee was the only one with 3 years left.  Bass is a 2 year deal.

[Kane3387]

The beauty of this deal is that it gets rid of two 3 year deals for a two year deal at the expense of just 2mil in cap money next year.  Even if we don't keep Asik, either we trade him or worst case he just walks, this deal works if we only give up a late 1st round pick for him.

Better than that - we'll be paying Asik $15 million if he's here next year, but the cap figure is only $8.3.  So we actually save cap money next year.

I thought Lee was the only one with 3 years left.  Bass is a 2 year deal.

That's correct.

[ummidkme]

9:16pm: The Celtics proposed a deal of Bass, Lee and a protected first-rounder for Asik a week ago, but talks have been closed since then, according to Steve Bulpett of the Boston Herald. While other reports have indicated the teams are currently negotiating, that’s not the case, Bulpett writes, suggesting that Celtics GM Danny Ainge isn’t budging from his offer and that the Rockets would have to sweeten their end of the deal to revive discussions. Bulpett also hears that when the Rockets brought Asik aboard in 2012, they promised him they wouldn’t sign another center to compete with him for the starting job.

8:11pm: The Celtics prefer to trade the Clippers’ 2015 first-round pick they acquired via the Doc Rivers deal, while the Rockets are seeking a 2014 first-rounder, according to Sean Deveney of The Sporting News.

Via Hoops Rumors

[rondohondo]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/12/celtics_rockets_trade_talks_not_so_hot

Says the c's offered Bass ,Lee and a protected pick last week, but were turned down

On a side note, a post on realgm just mentioned Dayrl Morey just started following Millsap on twitter FWIW

Hmmmmm

[mloyko]

Woj > Bulpett x1000