Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

[rondohondo]

I will continue:
Ainge offered a bag o'donuts for Asik. Rox said no. Ainge called other teams and offered a bang and a half of doughnuts. Rox said no.

Ainge doesn't want Asik that much. If he did? He'd have got him.

Ainge gains far more by waiting than pulling the trigger in mid December. His interest in Asik is based on the pressure the Rox are under to move him. If Ainge can't steal him? No deal.

This is how I justify why Ainge is in this deal in the first place. Why on earth would he spend one of his absolute best trade chips (Green) and spend it on this guy? This summer will offer the best FA class and best draft in recent memory and Ainge is going to "go for it" now?

Long shot.

How is Green one of the c's best trade chips? Rondo, Bradley, Sully and all the picks the c's have are their best trade chips. I like Green , but he is not as important as a defensive anchor to put next to Sully.

A big man rotation of asik, sully and KO is pretty darn good.
 
You can easily replace green with our picks , either drafting or trading them . Someone like James Micheal Macadoo will likely be around in the mid 1st, who has the potential to be just as good, if not better than Green.

I say do it if you can.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I will continue:
Ainge offered a bag o'donuts for Asik. Rox said no. Ainge called other teams and offered a bang and a half of doughnuts. Rox said no.

Ainge doesn't want Asik that much. If he did? He'd have got him.

Ainge gains far more by waiting than pulling the trigger in mid December. His interest in Asik is based on the pressure the Rox are under to move him. If Ainge can't steal him? No deal.

This is how I justify why Ainge is in this deal in the first place. Why on earth would he spend one of his absolute best trade chips (Green) and spend it on this guy? This summer will offer the best FA class and best draft in recent memory and Ainge is going to "go for it" now?

Long shot.

How is Green one of the c's best trade chips? Rondo, Bradley, Sully and all the picks the c's have are their best trade chips. I like Green , but he is not as important as a defensive anchor to put next to Sully.

A big man rotation of asik, sully and KO is pretty darn good.
 
You can easily replace green with our picks , either drafting or trading them . Someone like James Micheal Macadoo will likely be around in the mid 1st, who has the potential to be just as good, if not better than Green.

I say do it if you can.

And whats the assurance that Asik would still be in Boston once McAdoo reaches that potential?

Asik is only signed for two more years. If you trade for him now, that means you're eihter trying to compete or you have other moves in store. Losing Green for Asik would put  us on the same boat as we are right now, betterr defensively but would be bad offensively.

You trade for Asik and put him with Rondo and Green and make the Playoffs. You trade for that Center while losing arguably the best scorer of team, that's not good. Especially when that Center a.) quits on his team and b.) can walk away after two years.

[beklog]

I will continue:
Ainge offered a bag o'donuts for Asik. Rox said no. Ainge called other teams and offered a bang and a half of doughnuts. Rox said no.

Ainge doesn't want Asik that much. If he did? He'd have got him.

Ainge gains far more by waiting than pulling the trigger in mid December. His interest in Asik is based on the pressure the Rox are under to move him. If Ainge can't steal him? No deal.

This is how I justify why Ainge is in this deal in the first place. Why on earth would he spend one of his absolute best trade chips (Green) and spend it on this guy? This summer will offer the best FA class and best draft in recent memory and Ainge is going to "go for it" now?

Long shot.

How is Green one of the c's best trade chips? Rondo, Bradley, Sully and all the picks the c's have are their best trade chips. I like Green , but he is not as important as a defensive anchor to put next to Sully.

A big man rotation of asik, sully and KO is pretty darn good.
 
You can easily replace green with our picks , either drafting or trading them . Someone like James Micheal Macadoo will likely be around in the mid 1st, who has the potential to be just as good, if not better than Green.

I say do it if you can.

oh man... that's a pretty darn good dream if it comes true
C: Asik/Sully(can play C)/Fav
PF: Sully/Bass(if not traded)/KO

[jambr380]

I look at this way:
which is easier to find in NBA??

A 7ft big that can clogged the paint, grab rebounds and play defense
vs
Inconsistent wing player that can drive and shoot 3s

Again I agree to certain extent, but if it was so easy to find a wing of Jeff Green's caliber why havent we done so yet. He averages 17 and 5 with 45% and 40% shooting. He's in the top ten of SF's in the league, he isnt exactly easily replaceable.

If Asik was a legit monster of a player then its a different story but Asik, in my mind, isn't exactly an All Star nba center. He's pretty great but I dont think his value is worth a player of Green's caliber.

Asik isn't an all star center and Green isn't an all star sf. Asik's value doesn't show up in the box score as much as Green, but the advanced numbers indicate that Asik is the better player.

And you're sure of this because???

Green is clearly by far the better player of the two.

Same question for your statement.

I'd rather not give up Green for Asik, and while I'm sure Danny covets Asik he's probably very reluctant to make that move too.  But it's less because of any major talent disparity than because of the giant hole we'd have at the 3.

We should be looking to move a big, whether it's Bass or Hump, to make room for Asik in the rotation.  If it's Green or bust, I'm ok with going bust.  Doubly so if it's Green + a 1st.

Pretty much where I'm at with this rumor.

And with everything I said, I am also right where you guys are.

[Tr1boy]

Ainge is intrigued by asik and rondo possibilities but not desperate imo.

Bass or humprhies are the prime offer but hous wants more. They want teams to outbid each other for asik but its not happening. They were asking to millsap, thad young, jeff green but nobody is biting. Now its down to a bass and at least a 1st. And looks like dannh is not biting still. Houston has to do something and celts are just waiting. In the end if we have the best offer hou can get i can see danny giving future 2nds or maybe jcraw with either bass or hump to get a deal done

[aingeforthree]

I would much rather part with Bass than Green. It's reported tha Rockets have Bass included in their list of forwards they're interested in and looking at our roster it would make much more sense for us to part with Bass than Green if we're really front-runners for Asik.

Green is really our only legitimate Small Forward. Why give that up when we have Sully, Humphries, and Olynyk that can and do play at tha 4 spot. For us Bass is more replaceable than Green is. I mean Wallace can play some 3 too but is he more dependable than Green?

I like Wallace's efforts and I understand we really do need a center but I would much rather keep him on tha bench than see him takeover as our Small Forward when we have Sully whose been playing great basketball for us and is more than capable of taking over as our starting Power Forward.

I'd prefer giving up Bass as well.  I'd actually be willing to move Green though and it's more based on next year's draft.

With the 2 picks, Ainge has an opportunity to hit on a player at Green's position better than he could at the Center position.  Seems to be a lot of 3's available next year all throughout the draft.  So no matter where you're picking with both picks, you'll have a better opportunity in my mind to replace a guy like Green than landing a player like Asik.

i.e. Glenn Robinson III, Dario Saric, etc.

[csfansince60s]

UPDATE: Portland is "Wildcard" team in mix for Asik.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231143/Source-Blazers-Identified-As-Wild-Card-For-Omer-Asik

As 3rd team or directly? For whom and how can we get involved?

The Blazers have had an excellent start to the season and the main thing holding them back from pulling the trigger on a deal for Asik are concerns about chemistry.

Maybe as third team as they have no pick for 2014. Earliest first that could be deal is 2016.

[rondohondo]

The blazers are the wild card team

 http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231143/Source-Blazers-Identified-As-Wild-Card-For-Omer-Asik

[Birdman]

I miss this..so why is Dec 19th the day of Asik deal?

[wdleehi]

I miss this..so why is Dec 19th the day of Asik deal?

Houston GM trying to make an artificial date in the hopes other teams panic and offer more.

[Who]

The blazers are the wild card team

 http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231143/Source-Blazers-Identified-As-Wild-Card-For-Omer-Asik

Robin Lopez (Rockets new backup center) and a pick would be a good offer.

[LarBrd33]

I miss this..so why is Dec 19th the day of Asik deal?

Houston GM trying to make an artificial date in the hopes other teams panic and offer more.

I thought that was the cutoff date that would allow them to re-trade someone this year that they acquire in a deal.  Don't you have to wait 2 months to trade someone you acquired?  The trade deadline is Feb 20th... 2 months from December 19th.  It maximizes flexibility so that if they get Jeff Green (for example) in a trade... they can trade Jeff Green at the deadline.

[csfansince60s]

The blazers are the wild card team

 http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231143/Source-Blazers-Identified-As-Wild-Card-For-Omer-Asik

Robin Lopez (Rockets new backup center) and a pick would be a good offer.

Don't think they can deal a 1st till '16.

[jc3celticsphan]

Here's is an updated story from Marc Stein at ESPN

The Houston Rockets, as they've been telling teams all month, remain on course to trade disgruntled big man Omer Asik by Thursday, according to sources close to the process.

Numerous teams consulted by ESPN.com in recent days have said they are convinced the Rockets will indeed go ahead with a trade headlined by Asik before their self-imposed deadline of Dec. 19, with sources saying Tuesday that the Boston Celtics are increasingly active in the Asik talks.

As a result, the Celtics now are widely regarded as the strongest rivals to the Philadelphia 76ers in terms of likely destinations for Asik, with many rival executives expecting the final form of a trade built around the 7-footer from Turkey to feature at least three teams.

Sources have described the Atlanta Hawks as Houston's preferred trade partner since the Rockets came to the conclusion last month that, despite their attempts to placate Asik, they eventually would have to give in to the unhappy center's long-running desire to be moved in the wake of Dwight Howard's arrival in July. Yet it remains unclear, sources say, how interested Atlanta really is in parting with coveted forward Paul Millsap -- who's considered an ideal frontcourt complement to Howard -- in exchange for Asik.

Although sources say there has been dialogue between the Rockets and Hawks this week, it's believed that Atlanta officials are lukewarm on Asik and would hold out for more of a two-way player if they're being asked to pay him nearly $15 million next season, which is what the defensive specialist is due to receive in salary in 2014-15, thanks to a balloon payment in his contract that the Rockets inserted during the summer of 2012 to dissuade the Chicago Bulls from matching Houston's offer.

Sources say the $15 million is not a figure that scares off the Sixers or Celtics, which is why those are the two teams most frequently mentioned as landing spots for Asik.

Cleveland is another team that has been frequently linked with Asik the past several days, but sources close to the situation maintain the Cavaliers like the fit of Anderson Varejao in their frontcourt rotation better than Asik and thus are more likely to participate in such a trade as a third-team facilitator rather than as the team that winds up with Asik.

One possible scenario that has emerged, sources say, is a three-way trade in which Boston lands Asik, Cleveland absorbs the contract of Celtics forward Jeff Green and Houston scores no fewer than one of the future first-round picks it covets for surrendering Asik. Other players would have to be involved in such a trade to make the salary-cap math work, but it's the sort of trade that would fall in line with Cleveland's well-known focus on upgrading its options at small forward.

The Cavaliers pursued Green in free agency two summers ago before Green re-signed with Boston and, as ESPN.com reported Sunday , have shown far more interest recently in finding a new small forward than going ahead with the rumored Varejao-for-Asik swap.

There likewise are league sources who have maintained all month that the Rockets' plan to trade Asik by Dec. 19 -- as first reported by ESPN.com on Dec. 6 -- was hatched in part because of general manager Daryl Morey's confidence in being able to strike a deal with Philadelphia, where former Rockets assistant general manager Sam Hinkie is now running the Sixers' front office.

Sources say the prospect of acquiring center Spencer Hawes and at least one future first-round pick would be Houston's aim in a trade with Philadelphia, although it's believed the Rockets and Sixers also would require at least one more team to complete a deal. Hawes not only possesses a cap-friendly expiring contract valued at $6.6 million this season but also has the offensive skills and shooting range -- unlike Asik -- to be able to play alongside Howard as well as back him up.

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ESPN.com reported Sunday that Celtics forward Brandon Bass is another possible trade target for the Rockets, despite the fact that his contract runs for one more year than Hawes' deal.

Sources say the Rockets are conflicted about taking back Philadelphia's Thaddeus Young or the Celtics' Green because each player has two more seasons left on his contract after this one. If either Young (owed $19.4 million in 2014-15 and 2015-16) or Green (owed $18.4 million over the same span) is involved in the eventual Asik trade, Houston almost certainly will need a third team to absorb the contract of either player, since the Rockets need to maintain as much future flexibility as possible to re-sign forward Chandler Parsons, who quickly has blossomed into a key cog in Houston and will command a huge raise when he eventually makes it to free agency.

So according to Stein it looks like we're a front runner for landing him. If not for Bass we would send Green to the Cavs in a 3-way trade. I don't really like it but if it did happen Danny would HAVE to be eyeing Melo.

this makes no sense at all wouldnt cleavland be better with jeff green and their draft pick be worse for the rockets.. when we can give the rockets a first round pick.......they are giving us the run around

[Fafnir]

Because the Houston GM is both trying to create a market and also isn't sure what exactly the Rockets need yet.