Signing Rondo to a Max deal at 29

[Jailan34]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

We have time. If he continues to avg 10 plus assist(near triple doubles), without kg,pp and ultimately helps us win and be better than today then yes 15 million a yr. But if he cant then no. Bc he is not the go to guy then

Sullinger for example at this rate is looking like a stud and will avg 20/10, 2 assist. If he keeps it up is easily a 15 million a year guy

Why does he owe the org a discount? They've tried to trade him almost every year. Any discount he's supposedly owed them has been paid off by the steal of a contract he's on now

We as fans like to think this like this but sometimes we forget this is the players careers. I remember when everyone on here thought we would get a discount for green because of how understanding the team was with his medical troubles. Still ended up paying him almost 10 a year for 4 years.

Rondo will not give the celtics a discount for any reason.

[vjcsmoke]

You underestimate the stupidity that is free agency in the NBA.  Rondo will get max offers whether or not he's "worth it".  Rondo is still a top 5 PG in this league when fully health.  At worst, top 10.

The real question is, do the Celtics match or do they head it off at the pass and extend him?  It all depends on how he looks when he comes back.

I don't think he will get the max from any team.



There are just to many good PGs out there for a team to feel the need to spend that much. 



I think the Celtics can resign him for less then he max.  Somewhere in the 12-14 million a season range.  (still huge money)

[BballTim]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

[Jailan34]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

So when defenders are more up on rondo giving him less space to operate he will be able to better see the floor and make passes, I don't buy that. Every player declines around 30 the point is why would we want to be paying a 32 year old rondo 14 million. His play will decline that's a fact. He's not Nash.

[wdleehi]

You underestimate the stupidity that is free agency in the NBA.  Rondo will get max offers whether or not he's "worth it".  Rondo is still a top 5 PG in this league when fully health.  At worst, top 10.

The real question is, do the Celtics match or do they head it off at the pass and extend him?  It all depends on how he looks when he comes back.

I don't think he will get the max from any team.



There are just to many good PGs out there for a team to feel the need to spend that much. 



I think the Celtics can resign him for less then he max.  Somewhere in the 12-14 million a season range.  (still huge money)

Stupidity usually comes in the form of size. 

[D.o.s.]

There you have it. With Rondo as your best player, you won't win a title. With Rondo as your fourth best player, you'll win one in six.


End of debate. Story's over.

With Durant as your best player, you win nothing. Clearly Durant doesn't deserve a max deal. I could give more names, but there isn't much point.

What a meaningless way to discuss this. As if a player not winning means they can't win. Surely a player not winning cannot mean that another team is better. It must be that player's fault.

I think your sarcasm detector needs some recalibration.

Also, I think you should take that last sentiment into the various Carmelo threads.

[Celtics4ever]

Three year tops guards decline more than bigs.

[dasani]

You underestimate the stupidity that is free agency in the NBA.  Rondo will get max offers whether or not he's "worth it".  Rondo is still a top 5 PG in this league when fully health.  At worst, top 10.

The real question is, do the Celtics match or do they head it off at the pass and extend him?  It all depends on how he looks when he comes back.

I don't think he will get the max from any team.



There are just to many good PGs out there for a team to feel the need to spend that much. 



I think the Celtics can resign him for less then he max.  Somewhere in the 12-14 million a season range.  (still huge money)

yeah, the too many good pgs (there are really only like 10-12 that would qualify IMO, roughly only 1/3 of the league) thing is overblown a bit. There are many teams without a decent PG (Knicks, Lakers, Kings,etc or teams that can upgrade) and teams with the good PGs are not giving them up. If Rondo performs to his usual play. Someone will definitely be willing to give up more than that or something near max.

[Jailan34]

You underestimate the stupidity that is free agency in the NBA.  Rondo will get max offers whether or not he's "worth it".  Rondo is still a top 5 PG in this league when fully health.  At worst, top 10.

The real question is, do the Celtics match or do they head it off at the pass and extend him?  It all depends on how he looks when he comes back.

I don't think he will get the max from any team.




There are just to many good PGs out there for a team to feel the need to spend that much. 



I think the Celtics can resign him for less then he max.  Somewhere in the 12-14 million a season range.  (still huge money)

yeah, the too many good pgs (there are really only like 10-12 that would qualify IMO, roughly only 1/3 of the league) thing is overblown a bit. There are many teams without a decent PG (Knicks, Lakers, Kings,etc or teams that can upgrade) and teams with the good PGs are not giving them up. If Rondo performs to his usual play. Someone will definitely be willing to give up more than that or something near max.

I think rondo fits perfectly with the kings. Cousins and Rudy 1 and 2 rondo 3ed option with a lot of young athletes.

[BballTim]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

So when defenders are more up on rondo giving him less space to operate he will be able to better see the floor and make passes, I don't buy that.

  We see it in games on a fairly regular basis. People only seem to notice when players give Rondo space but the reality is teams try various defenses against Rondo, ranging from laying way off of him to double teaming him when he has the ball. When defenders are more up on Rondo it prevents them from helping out as quickly when he passes the ball and opens up the lane a bit as well. Also, Rondo probably sees the floor better than anyone else in the league. He doesn't need to better see the floor, he's fine already.

[Jailan34]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

So when defenders are more up on rondo giving him less space to operate he will be able to better see the floor and make passes, I don't buy that.

  We see it in games on a fairly regular basis. People only seem to notice when players give Rondo space but the reality is teams try various defenses against Rondo, ranging from laying way off of him to double teaming him when he has the ball. When defenders are more up on Rondo it prevents them from helping out as quickly when he passes the ball and opens up the lane a bit as well. Also, Rondo probably sees the floor better than anyone else in the league. He doesn't need to better see the floor, he's fine already.

I am missing the point you're trying to make I guess, every player's game diminishes in a way as they grow older, father time and all. If Rondo returns with the same jumpshot he will be that much more of a liability because a lot of his own personal scoring comes from his speed and quickness. Sure he'll be able to pass well still, but I think he could become a liability in the final 2-3 years of the deal.

Nash sustained his play so well because of his shooting, even though hes always been slower he is a double threat to pass or shoot, and when he got even slower he still had both those skills. Rondo will still be able to pass with the best of them, but I don't think there's any debate he'll start to struggle more and more to score with age. That isn't until hes over 30 though.

[BballTim]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

So when defenders are more up on rondo giving him less space to operate he will be able to better see the floor and make passes, I don't buy that.

  We see it in games on a fairly regular basis. People only seem to notice when players give Rondo space but the reality is teams try various defenses against Rondo, ranging from laying way off of him to double teaming him when he has the ball. When defenders are more up on Rondo it prevents them from helping out as quickly when he passes the ball and opens up the lane a bit as well. Also, Rondo probably sees the floor better than anyone else in the league. He doesn't need to better see the floor, he's fine already.

I am missing the point you're trying to make I guess, every player's game diminishes in a way as they grow older, father time and all. If Rondo returns with the same jumpshot he will be that much more of a liability because a lot of his own personal scoring comes from his speed and quickness. Sure he'll be able to pass well still, but I think he could become a liability in the final 2-3 years of the deal.

Nash sustained his play so well because of his shooting, even though hes always been slower he is a double threat to pass or shoot, and when he got even slower he still had both those skills. Rondo will still be able to pass with the best of them, but I don't think there's any debate he'll start to struggle more and more to score with age. That isn't until hes over 30 though.

  30's pretty young for that though. And, again, the percentage of Rondo's points from jumpers has increased quite a bit over the last few years, there's no reason to think that couldn't continue if necessary.

[Jailan34]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

  If they play more up on him it makes it easier for him to get assists, so they're playing to his strengths. People play off of him as much to cheat towards the recipients of his passes as any other reason. They might limit Rondo's scoring, but his scoring isn't the defenses biggest concern.

So when defenders are more up on rondo giving him less space to operate he will be able to better see the floor and make passes, I don't buy that.

  We see it in games on a fairly regular basis. People only seem to notice when players give Rondo space but the reality is teams try various defenses against Rondo, ranging from laying way off of him to double teaming him when he has the ball. When defenders are more up on Rondo it prevents them from helping out as quickly when he passes the ball and opens up the lane a bit as well. Also, Rondo probably sees the floor better than anyone else in the league. He doesn't need to better see the floor, he's fine already.

I am missing the point you're trying to make I guess, every player's game diminishes in a way as they grow older, father time and all. If Rondo returns with the same jumpshot he will be that much more of a liability because a lot of his own personal scoring comes from his speed and quickness. Sure he'll be able to pass well still, but I think he could become a liability in the final 2-3 years of the deal.

Nash sustained his play so well because of his shooting, even though hes always been slower he is a double threat to pass or shoot, and when he got even slower he still had both those skills. Rondo will still be able to pass with the best of them, but I don't think there's any debate he'll start to struggle more and more to score with age. That isn't until hes over 30 though.

  30's pretty young for that though. And, again, the percentage of Rondo's points from jumpers has increased quite a bit over the last few years, there's no reason to think that couldn't continue if necessary.

I realize it won't be like falling off a cliff, but by the end of the deal I can almost garuntee he won't be worth 14-15 mil. If rondo wants to re-sign for 10 each year im all for it. I would also be more comfortable if he comes back and shows an improved three ball. But I just see a lot of trouble for Rondo's offense around 31-32, which would be years 3 and 4 of the five year deal I think. He wont be able to blow by people, and unless hes got 3 point range I just believe he will be increasingly ineffective and a liability, which is why I can see signing him for 18 million at the age of 29.