Signing Rondo to a Max deal at 29

[guava_wrench]

No one should be giving answers to this question without knowing how much a max deal is for a player with Rondo's years of service! Abstractions just confuse the discussion.

Rondo will have 9 years of service when his contract ends. That means the max for him is 30% of the cap. SO if the cap were to be $60m, the max for him would be $18m for the initial year plus raises each following year.

So there you go. Is Rondo worth $18m the first year of the new contract and even more each year after?

[guava_wrench]

There you have it. With Rondo as your best player, you won't win a title. With Rondo as your fourth best player, you'll win one in six.


End of debate. Story's over.

With Durant as your best player, you win nothing. Clearly Durant doesn't deserve a max deal. I could give more names, but there isn't much point.

What a meaningless way to discuss this. As if a player not winning means they can't win. Surely a player not winning cannot mean that another team is better. It must be that player's fault.

[Edgar]

There you have it. With Rondo as your best player, you won't win a title. With Rondo as your fourth best player, you'll win one in six.


End of debate. Story's over.

With Durant as your best player, you win nothing. Clearly Durant doesn't deserve a max deal. I could give more names, but there isn't much point.

What a meaningless way to discuss this. As if a player not winning means they can't win. Surely a player not winning cannot mean that another team is better. It must be that player's fault.

not to mention Rondo was second best player since KG injury year No.2

[guava_wrench]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

  He was never handheld by the team. He was in plenty of trade rumors and Danny and Doc weren't afraid to criticize him in public.

He was also underpaid this last contract.

[tyrone biggums]

The same guys who want Danny to give Hayward a max deal on this board are the ones who are against giving one to Rondo? The same multi time all star and top 5 pg in the league?

The hate is strong here.

[Fafnir]

The same guys who want Danny to give Hayward a max deal on this board are the ones who are against giving one to Rondo? The same multi time all star and top 5 pg in the league?

The hate is strong here.

To be fair the "max" for someone coming off their rookie deal is a different thing than the max for a veteran of 9 years.

[kozlodoev]

The same guys who want Danny to give Hayward a max deal on this board are the ones who are against giving one to Rondo? The same multi time all star and top 5 pg in the league?

The hate is strong here.

To be fair the "max" for someone coming off their rookie deal is a different thing than the max for a veteran of 9 years.

Rondo max salary = ~$19 million, Hayward's max salary = ~$13.5 million. The difference is substantial. May become even more if Rondo gets voted to an All-NBA team before his contract expires.

[Clench123]

He deserve it and I know he's going to prove it again.

[Chris]

No one should be giving answers to this question without knowing how much a max deal is for a player with Rondo's years of service! Abstractions just confuse the discussion.

Rondo will have 9 years of service when his contract ends. That means the max for him is 30% of the cap. SO if the cap were to be $60m, the max for him would be $18m for the initial year plus raises each following year.

So there you go. Is Rondo worth $18m the first year of the new contract and even more each year after?

Just to be clear, these numbers aren't necessarily right.  The maximum salary is actually calculated based on a different salary cap number than the actual cap, which makes the salaries a bit smaller than 30% of the actual cap.

From Larry Coon:

They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%. In 2005 the sides negotiated a different formula for setting the salary cap but not maximum salaries, so the two became decoupled, and this continued in the 2011 agreement. For this reason the maximum salaries are not actually 25%, 30% or 35% of the cap, and instead are a slightly lower amount. For example, even though the salary cap for 2011-12 is $58.044 million and 25% of this amount is $14.511 million, the 0-6 year maximum salary is actually $12,922,194. In addition, for 2012-13 a 5.8% increase in maximum salaries was agreed to, even though the salary cap stayed the same as 2011-12.

Just for reference, the 30% max is $16.4 million in '13-'14 based on a $58.7 million cap

[Chris]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Right.  You are a pro in the argument.  But someone arguing Con would make that other argument.  And both sides have a legitimate point. 

[BballTim]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

[Jailan34]

 I want to get the feel for what you guys think about this now before he's come back. Just the general idea of signing are soon to be 29 year old slightly flawed, championship point guard coming off ACL injury. This single issue will go a long way in determining if we should explore these wild trade ideas.

  29 isn't that old. If he was 3-4 years older it would be a legitimate question.

This is the real tough thing to predict with Rondo.  You are right that 29 isn't too old.  But, it is just old enough that certain concerns come up that don't come up if he were 26.  Here are the two sides of the argument as I see it:

Con:
-His greatness largely comes from his athleticism, and it is inevitable that he will start losing that as he gets past 30

  I'd say it comes more from his vision, BBIQ and passing ability.

Rondo's scoring ability is already limited. If his athleticism takes a big hit in the coming years he will be less and less able to score. He relies on blowing past defenders.

  Not so much. The percentage of his jumpers (compared to scoring at the rim) went up in each of his previous 4 seasons to the point that he scores more from jumpers than from the inside. It would be much more of an issue for 2009 Rondo than 2013 Rondo.

Right people gave him space to stop the drive and force a jumpshot. Once his speed declines they can play more up in him, hence why I said they will further limit his scoring ability. I don't see how this is debatable.

[wdleehi]

I don't think he will get the max from any team.



There are just to many good PGs out there for a team to feel the need to spend that much. 



I think the Celtics can resign him for less then he max.  Somewhere in the 12-14 million a season range.  (still huge money)

[Fafnir]

The Knicks will have cap space the year he is a FA in all likelihood.

So yeah I think Rondo is getting offered the max.

[bobbyv]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

We have time. If he continues to avg 10 plus assist(near triple doubles), without kg,pp and ultimately helps us win and be better than today then yes 15 million a yr. But if he cant then no. Bc he is not the go to guy then

Sullinger for example at this rate is looking like a stud and will avg 20/10, 2 assist. If he keeps it up is easily a 15 million a year guy

Why does he owe the org a discount? They've tried to trade him almost every year. Any discount he's supposedly owed them has been paid off by the steal of a contract he's on now