Signing Rondo to a Max deal at 29

[sed522002]

I don't....I firmly believe you can't win a title with Rondo as your best player.  Now, if they are able to land a superstar to pair with him, then maybe I would but C's won't win a title if Rondo is the lone star on the team...

That's pretty much every team in the NBA...not just Rondo. Hence the forming of so many "Big 3's".

Right - If the C's have a new big 3 and Rondo is the best player of the 3, I don't think they would win.  He needs to be the 2nd or 3rd guy...

  They got to game 7 of the finals with Rondo as their best player. I doubt there's any reason they couldn't go one game farther.

Rondo was their best player in 2010? I don't think so, KG and PP at that point were more important than him...

  FWIW, I don't think the most important player and the best player are always the same person. KG was our most important player in the 2012 playoffs because he was the only rotation-caliber player we had that was taller than 6'8. That doesn't make him the best player though.

That's a good bit of important articulation there, Tim.

Exactly. Rondo and Kg were a nice tandem. Take Rondo away in the 2012 playoffs and they wouldn't go half as far..the same can be said if Kg wasn't in the series as well. Rondo was the best player, but to go far it absolutely depended on Kg.

Take Miami in that series. Lebron was their best player (obviously), but Bosh became the most IMPORTANT player for them getting out of the Boston series because they had no answers for KG in the post.

[BballTim]

I don't....I firmly believe you can't win a title with Rondo as your best player.  Now, if they are able to land a superstar to pair with him, then maybe I would but C's won't win a title if Rondo is the lone star on the team...

That's pretty much every team in the NBA...not just Rondo. Hence the forming of so many "Big 3's".

Right - If the C's have a new big 3 and Rondo is the best player of the 3, I don't think they would win.  He needs to be the 2nd or 3rd guy...

  They got to game 7 of the finals with Rondo as their best player. I doubt there's any reason they couldn't go one game farther.

Rondo was their best player in 2010? I don't think so, KG and PP at that point were more important than him...

  FWIW, I don't think the most important player and the best player are always the same person. KG was our most important player in the 2012 playoffs because he was the only rotation-caliber player we had that was taller than 6'8. That doesn't make him the best player though.

That's a good bit of important articulation there, Tim.

  Yes, I figured that out in the 80s when the Celts used to fare better without Bird than without Parrish. Our backup sf (Wedman) was a good player, our backup centers were terrible.

[Kane3387]

Typically doesnt make sense to allocate that much of your resources to the pg position.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

[kozlodoev]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

We have time. If he continues to avg 10 plus assist(near triple doubles), without kg,pp and ultimately helps us win and be better than today then yes 15 million a yr. But if he cant then no. Bc he is not the go to guy then

Sullinger for example at this rate is looking like a stud and will avg 20/10, 2 assist. If he keeps it up is easily a 15 million a year guy

[kozlodoev]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

We have time. If he continues to avg 10 plus assist(near triple doubles), without kg,pp and ultimately helps us win and be better than today then yes 15 million a yr. But if he cant then no. Bc he is not the go to guy then

Sullinger for example at this rate is looking like a stud and will avg 20/10, 2 assist. If he keeps it up is easily a 15 million a year guy

But should Rondo average that in 32 minutes a game, or could he do it over 40? That's an incredibly meaningless way to valuate a player.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

We have time. If he continues to avg 10 plus assist(near triple doubles), without kg,pp and ultimately helps us win and be better than today then yes 15 million a yr. But if he cant then no. Bc he is not the go to guy then

Sullinger for example at this rate is looking like a stud and will avg 20/10, 2 assist. If he keeps it up is easily a 15 million a year guy

But should Rondo average that in 32 minutes a game, or could he do it over 40? That's an incredibly meaningless way to valuate a player.

30 or 40 min it doesnt matter. Just getting the job
Done does. Rondo didnt last yr and as soon as he got injured the team played better.

I dont want that to happen again and for rondo to help this team propel to another level. Again the team shouldnt have to adjust to rondo and for rondo to enhance the team play. Just like any other new player should

[nickagneta]

1. I love Rondo and want to see him retire a Celtic. I find him to be the best floor general and passing PG in the game.

2. That said, I don't think he will be worth a max contract. I am not a firm believer in building around PGs and as much as I love Rondo I feel allocating a full 10 year vet max deal to him is insane.

3. I don't think Rondo feels he needs a max deal. He loves Boston and wants to eventually coach and probably would love to tutor under Stevens here in Boston after his playing days. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a 4 year $64 million deal that might decrease as the contracts ages, like $17/$16.25/$15.75/$15 as a way of showing his loyalty to the team and understanding that they can't really afford to pay him a max and be financially competitive with him as a max player.

[pokeKingCurtis]

3. I don't think Rondo feels he needs a max deal. He loves Boston and wants to eventually coach and probably would love to tutor under Stevens here in Boston after his playing days.

You're just speculating.

Rondo wants a max. I have it on...good...authority...multiple sources...reliable sources...just trust me. I'm right.

[nickagneta]

3. I don't think Rondo feels he needs a max deal. He loves Boston and wants to eventually coach and probably would love to tutor under Stevens here in Boston after his playing days.

You're just speculating.

Rondo wants a max. I have it on...good...authority...multiple sources...reliable sources...just trust me. I'm right.

Yes I am speculating based on past business decisions of his but, then again, you're speculating as well.

[pokeKingCurtis]

3. I don't think Rondo feels he needs a max deal. He loves Boston and wants to eventually coach and probably would love to tutor under Stevens here in Boston after his playing days.

You're just speculating.

Rondo wants a max. I have it on...good...authority...multiple sources...reliable sources...just trust me. I'm right.

Yes I am speculating based on past business decisions of his but, then again, you're speculating as well.

 

[BballTim]

Rondo is not a max player. 12-13 million a yr is his max. Id give him 12 million for 3-4 yrs. If we wont accept, id think about trading him

$13 million is barely 2/3rds of the max contract for a player with Rondo's tenure, and he'll be easily worth more than that in the open market. It's a bad idea to let him walk if he can be had on a deal that pays him in the neighborhood of $15 million.

He owes the org a discount imo. He was handheld from day 1.

  He was never handheld by the team. He was in plenty of trade rumors and Danny and Doc weren't afraid to criticize him in public.

[vjcsmoke]

I'd take a wait and see approach to that.  Wait until he comes back and if he's fully healthy and looks like the 'prime time' Rondo we've seen in years past, then I'd consider it. 

But I'd also keep my ears to the ground and move Rondo if we receive a great offer that can improve the team in the long term.

[Jailan34]

I don't....I firmly believe you can't win a title with Rondo as your best player.  Now, if they are able to land a superstar to pair with him, then maybe I would but C's won't win a title if Rondo is the lone star on the team...

That's pretty much every team in the NBA...not just Rondo. Hence the forming of so many "Big 3's".

Right - If the C's have a new big 3 and Rondo is the best player of the 3, I don't think they would win.  He needs to be the 2nd or 3rd guy...

  They got to game 7 of the finals with Rondo as their best player. I doubt there's any reason they couldn't go one game farther.

Rondo was their best player in 2010? I don't think so, KG and PP at that point were more important than him...

  FWIW, I don't think the most important player and the best player are always the same person. KG was our most important player in the 2012 playoffs because he was the only rotation-caliber player we had that was taller than 6'8. That doesn't make him the best player though.

That's a good bit of important articulation there, Tim.

Exactly. Rondo and Kg were a nice tandem. Take Rondo away in the 2012 playoffs and they wouldn't go half as far..the same can be said if Kg wasn't in the series as well. Rondo was the best player, but to go far it absolutely depended on Kg.

Take Miami in that series. Lebron was their best player (obviously), but Bosh became the most IMPORTANT player for them getting out of the Boston series because they had no answers for KG in the post.

This is one of the reasons the most recent Celtic's run from 08-12 was great basketball to watch.

This phrase "take this guy away and they don't go nearly as far" you can say that phrase about 4-5 guys because we played such a team oriented style. So while the statement is true, if Rondo wasn't in for that playoff run we don't go nearly as far.

I just think the same can be said for four other guys, which is why I love this teams brand of basketball.