Today in Nets' Disasters: Lawrence Frank Let Go

[kozlodoev]

Not saying Kidd's a good coach, just that having a different coach might not help as much as people think.

Well, that's a big caveat, since Spo is actually a really good coach.

  But he certainly wasn't seen as one when the Heat didn't crush the league from the get-go.

Because he wasn't one from the get-go.

[SHAQATTACK]

Kidd is coaching a bunch of prima donnas, and he is one himself too.

He'll be gone by January.

That's about it in a nutshell....

Without anybody to do the heavy lifting as coach ,  the Nets will sink further .

Goes to,show just because you have a lot of money ,doesn't necessary mean you are smart ........stupid Russian .

[BballTim]

Not saying Kidd's a good coach, just that having a different coach might not help as much as people think.

Well, that's a big caveat, since Spo is actually a really good coach.

  But he certainly wasn't seen as one when the Heat didn't crush the league from the get-go.

Because he wasn't one from the get-go.

  He wasn't that bad of a coach, and his coaching wasn't the main cause of the Heat's struggles. People misjudge how well a team should perform and then come to the conclusion that their predictions were correct, the problem must lie elsewhere.

[kozlodoev]

Not saying Kidd's a good coach, just that having a different coach might not help as much as people think.

Well, that's a big caveat, since Spo is actually a really good coach.

  But he certainly wasn't seen as one when the Heat didn't crush the league from the get-go.

Because he wasn't one from the get-go.

  He wasn't that bad of a coach, and his coaching wasn't the main cause of the Heat's struggles. People misjudge how well a team should perform and then come to the conclusion that their predictions were correct, the problem must lie elsewhere.

He was a young coach that was clearly overmatched early on. That's not a "very good coach". Identifying all the reasons for the Heat's struggles is an entirely different conversation.

[Who]

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com that there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank since the start of the season. Sources say the relationship soured after assistant coach Joe Prunty was chosen as interim coach instead of Frank when Kidd served a two-game suspension to start the season. Two sources say Frank appeared to be hurt by the decision.

Multiple team sources also say Nets players side with Kidd, respect the first-year head coach and prefer to hear one voice. Kidd initially allowed Frank and assistant coach John Welch to handle the defensive and offensive duties. But Frank had the most head-coaching experience on the staff, and often his voice was the loudest at practices. Two sources say Nets players felt Frank was over-coaching earlier in the season.

One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded that, as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who has been around the block to "guide him," this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

ESPN

[Fafnir]

Surprised they have had problems. Kidd often spoke highly of L.Frank when Kidd played for him several years ago. I would've thought Kidd knew exactly what he was getting from Frank and that they would've had had a good relationship. Surprising.

I wonder if it was Frank who was at fault. Not buying in to what Kidd wanted. Trying to push things in a different direction.

Dunno, but apparently they had a shouting match fight right after Kidd's first game as a head coach.

[Fafnir]

Frank is getting dumped on hard, tough to identify how much is just spin from the Nets and how much is real.

[D.o.s.]

Frank is getting dumped on hard, tough to identify how much is just spin from the Nets and how much is real.

Sources say...

[Chris]

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com that there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank since the start of the season. Sources say the relationship soured after assistant coach Joe Prunty was chosen as interim coach instead of Frank when Kidd served a two-game suspension to start the season. Two sources say Frank appeared to be hurt by the decision.

Multiple team sources also say Nets players side with Kidd, respect the first-year head coach and prefer to hear one voice. Kidd initially allowed Frank and assistant coach John Welch to handle the defensive and offensive duties. But Frank had the most head-coaching experience on the staff, and often his voice was the loudest at practices. Two sources say Nets players felt Frank was over-coaching earlier in the season.

One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded that, as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who has been around the block to "guide him," this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

ESPN

This may be spin, or it may be true.  But it all comes back to Kidd.  His job as the head coach is to take control.  He can't allow his assistants to overrule him.  It is a terrible sign that Kidd was not a strong enough leader to get Frank in line without having to do something so drastic. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Kidd panicked and overreacted .

As a player, Kidd could lead on the court by example .., with acts and few words.

As a coach you need outstanding communication skills ....people person

This was Docs strong suit .....he is a people person and able to get people to believe him.  , even if he was not a great coach, he had his team believing he was right.

Not being on the court with the basketball in his hands ....he seems to be a failure or unsure of himself or making his team comfortable.

Kidd seems unable to pick up,the clip board and take the team over and lead........he should be able to use his assets of assistant coaches ,  but only if he can fill the shoes he was hired to do.

Kidd  lacks the ability to communicate an lead without ball in his hands.

[kozlodoev]

This may be spin, or it may be true.  But it all comes back to Kidd.  His job as the head coach is to take control.  He can't allow his assistants to overrule him.  It is a terrible sign that Kidd was not a strong enough leader to get Frank in line without having to do something so drastic.

Both Thibs and Frank were entirely in charge of the defense with the Celtics (including barking instructions in-game), and that seemed to work just fine with Doc.

Insecure rookie coach is insecure

[Greenpoison]

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com that there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank since the start of the season. Sources say the relationship soured after assistant coach Joe Prunty was chosen as interim coach instead of Frank when Kidd served a two-game suspension to start the season. Two sources say Frank appeared to be hurt by the decision.

Multiple team sources also say Nets players side with Kidd, respect the first-year head coach and prefer to hear one voice. Kidd initially allowed Frank and assistant coach John Welch to handle the defensive and offensive duties. But Frank had the most head-coaching experience on the staff, and often his voice was the loudest at practices. Two sources say Nets players felt Frank was over-coaching earlier in the season.

One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded that, as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who has been around the block to "guide him," this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

I SAT COURT-SIDE AT THE CLIPPERS V. NETS GAME, RIGHT NEXT TO THE NETS BENCH. HERE'S WHAT I SAW:

I think that all of this is major spin from the Net's. They are capable of explaining away Kidd's incompetence by quoting unnamed players, etc. Frank is a scapegoat to some extent.

The entire game, I watched Kidd. He was pacing nervously, and trying to look like he was doing something by sipping at his water bottle the whole entire time. Meanwhile, Frank handled ALL of the timeouts, called out plays, etc. Even the other assistant spoke in huddles. Kidd is a FIGUREHEAD and this firing of Frank is essentially like the firing of a head coach. There could still be some truth to what the Nets say. There may be animosity from all the losing, etc. However, Kidd is lost. From what I saw, he was helpless and lost. He sits on the sideline praying that they win rather than actually coaching. Frank was very vocal on the sideline and he got fired because of the losing.

[indeedproceed]

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com that there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank since the start of the season. Sources say the relationship soured after assistant coach Joe Prunty was chosen as interim coach instead of Frank when Kidd served a two-game suspension to start the season. Two sources say Frank appeared to be hurt by the decision.

Multiple team sources also say Nets players side with Kidd, respect the first-year head coach and prefer to hear one voice. Kidd initially allowed Frank and assistant coach John Welch to handle the defensive and offensive duties. But Frank had the most head-coaching experience on the staff, and often his voice was the loudest at practices. Two sources say Nets players felt Frank was over-coaching earlier in the season.

One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded that, as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who has been around the block to "guide him," this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

I SAT COURT-SIDE AT THE CLIPPERS V. NETS GAME, RIGHT NEXT TO THE NETS BENCH. HERE'S WHAT I SAW:

I think that all of this is major spin from the Net's. They are capable of explaining away Kidd's incompetence by quoting unnamed players, etc. Frank is a scapegoat to some extent.

The entire game, I watched Kidd. He was pacing nervously, and trying to look like he was doing something by sipping at his water bottle the whole entire time. Meanwhile, Frank handled ALL of the timeouts, called out plays, etc. Even the other assistant spoke in huddles. Kidd is a FIGUREHEAD and this firing of Frank is essentially like the firing of a head coach. There could still be some truth to what the Nets say. There may be animosity from all the losing, etc. However, Kidd is lost. From what I saw, he was helpless and lost. He sits on the sideline praying that they win rather than actually coaching. Frank was very vocal on the sideline and he got fired because of the losing.

I think that's part of the problem (Frank being so vocal). Too many voices, probably not all on the same page.

[clover]

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com that there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank since the start of the season. Sources say the relationship soured after assistant coach Joe Prunty was chosen as interim coach instead of Frank when Kidd served a two-game suspension to start the season. Two sources say Frank appeared to be hurt by the decision.

Multiple team sources also say Nets players side with Kidd, respect the first-year head coach and prefer to hear one voice. Kidd initially allowed Frank and assistant coach John Welch to handle the defensive and offensive duties. But Frank had the most head-coaching experience on the staff, and often his voice was the loudest at practices. Two sources say Nets players felt Frank was over-coaching earlier in the season.

One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded that, as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who has been around the block to "guide him," this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

I SAT COURT-SIDE AT THE CLIPPERS V. NETS GAME, RIGHT NEXT TO THE NETS BENCH. HERE'S WHAT I SAW:

I think that all of this is major spin from the Net's. They are capable of explaining away Kidd's incompetence by quoting unnamed players, etc. Frank is a scapegoat to some extent.

The entire game, I watched Kidd. He was pacing nervously, and trying to look like he was doing something by sipping at his water bottle the whole entire time. Meanwhile, Frank handled ALL of the timeouts, called out plays, etc. Even the other assistant spoke in huddles. Kidd is a FIGUREHEAD and this firing of Frank is essentially like the firing of a head coach. There could still be some truth to what the Nets say. There may be animosity from all the losing, etc. However, Kidd is lost. From what I saw, he was helpless and lost. He sits on the sideline praying that they win rather than actually coaching. Frank was very vocal on the sideline and he got fired because of the losing.

Then one could see this as the Nets responding to the losing by firing who had really been doing the coaching.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This is insane. 

Funny, the Nets are really bad right now defensively and their head coach just demoted their "defensive coordinator".

I feel bad for KG and Paul, being stuck into this kind of a mess. Although, I think they are still too talented, and with the Titanic division, they can probably bounce back.

But this is nothing but bad PR for Jason Kidd. Soda-Gate (as the Starters would call it) and now this? Not looking good for a rookie head coach.