Celtics interested in Amare

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i remember trading

rodney rogers



to the Nets

killed us

It did the opposite. It helped kill a team that had no chance to win a championship. Thankfully.

[LooseCannon]

Are those who want to keep bass thinking clearly?
If we did this trade we would clear a whole bunch of money a year sooner than if we didn't make the trade

You would rather keep bass than to have the ability to offer a big time agent max money in 2015?

Get out of here with that nonsense....

Not making this trade does not prevent the Celtics from signing a big free agent in the summer of 2015.  It's not as if this will be the only chance to dump some of those contracts.

What it does do is make it harder for the Celtics from bringing in a big name, either through free agency or trade, in the summer of 2014, which is something I am interested in doing.

Any prospective names on that list of big names?

My dream scenario is that Memphis somehow falls completely apart and the team decides to enter rebuilding/tank mode, so that Marc Gasol is available for Sullinger and picks.

I've also wondered how much Pau Gasol will decline and if he would be worth closer to $15 million, $10 million, or $5 million if is secretly tired of being around Kobe.

I sometimes fantasize about Derrick Rose's comeback looking like the second coming of Michael Redd, so that the Bulls have no choice but to rebuild and get whatever assets they can for a player such as Joachim Noah.

I suppose it seems less likely now that Portland is off to a good start, but I was wondering if the Trail Blazers would try to trade Aldridge if it seemed he was leaning towards going elsewhere when his contract expired.

I'm not as enthusiastic about going after Carmelo Anthony as other people are, but the cap space could probably be manufactured to sign him if you are willing to spend a ton of draft picks.

None of this is likely to happen, but I think there is a reasonable chance that some unpredictable opportunity pops up.

[Surferdad]

Read all 10 pages of this thread.  I would do Hump, Lee and Wallace for Amare and Shump but NY likely would not that.

[D.o.s.]

Read all 10 pages of this thread.  I would do Hump, Lee and Wallace for Amare and Shump but NY likely would not that.

I think the only possible lubricant there would be draft picks--NY desperately needs some, and we have plenty.

Are those who want to keep bass thinking clearly?
If we did this trade we would clear a whole bunch of money a year sooner than if we didn't make the trade

You would rather keep bass than to have the ability to offer a big time agent max money in 2015?

Get out of here with that nonsense....

Not making this trade does not prevent the Celtics from signing a big free agent in the summer of 2015.  It's not as if this will be the only chance to dump some of those contracts.

What it does do is make it harder for the Celtics from bringing in a big name, either through free agency or trade, in the summer of 2014, which is something I am interested in doing.

Any prospective names on that list of big names?

My dream scenario is that Memphis somehow falls completely apart and the team decides to enter rebuilding/tank mode, so that Marc Gasol is available for Sullinger and picks.

I've also wondered how much Pau Gasol will decline and if he would be worth closer to $15 million, $10 million, or $5 million if is secretly tired of being around Kobe.

I sometimes fantasize about Derrick Rose's comeback looking like the second coming of Michael Redd, so that the Bulls have no choice but to rebuild and get whatever assets they can for a player such as Joachim Noah.

I suppose it seems less likely now that Portland is off to a good start, but I was wondering if the Trail Blazers would try to trade Aldridge if it seemed he was leaning towards going elsewhere when his contract expired.

I'm not as enthusiastic about going after Carmelo Anthony as other people are, but the cap space could probably be manufactured to sign him if you are willing to spend a ton of draft picks.

None of this is likely to happen, but I think there is a reasonable chance that some unpredictable opportunity pops up.

No, that's cool, I just wanted to see who you were envisioning that was worth holding on to space.

I'd hate to see D-Rose end up like Michael Redd, but Noah would be a nice pickup, as would either Gasol (Marc then Pau would probably be my preference).

[j804]

Brousssard is not a reliable source.

[moiso]

Brousssard is not a reliable source.

Each eye is looking at a different source.

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apparently the Cs would do this for less than I thought...

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/11/20/5127106/nba-trade-rumor-gerald-wallace-kris-humphries-for-amare-stoudamire

[D.o.s.]

From that link:

Interestingly, according to a source familiar with the Knicks' previous free-agency plans, they and the Celtics actually explored trading Wallace, Humphries and Courtney Lee for Stoudemire and Shumpert over the offseason. Now that the Celtics envision Avery Bradley as their shooting guard for the future-"They like him at $6 million a year," the source close to the Celtics said-they don't have a need for Shumpert.

That confuses me.

[Lucky17]

From that link:

Interestingly, according to a source familiar with the Knicks' previous free-agency plans, they and the Celtics actually explored trading Wallace, Humphries and Courtney Lee for Stoudemire and Shumpert over the offseason. Now that the Celtics envision Avery Bradley as their shooting guard for the future-"They like him at $6 million a year," the source close to the Celtics said-they don't have a need for Shumpert.

That confuses me.

Yeah.

Why wouldn't Ainge prefer to dump another long-term contract and get another chip in Shumpert? That's the most bang for the buck.

Even if you don't plan to keep Shumpert, you know he's coveted by other teams around the league.

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From that link:

Interestingly, according to a source familiar with the Knicks' previous free-agency plans, they and the Celtics actually explored trading Wallace, Humphries and Courtney Lee for Stoudemire and Shumpert over the offseason. Now that the Celtics envision Avery Bradley as their shooting guard for the future-"They like him at $6 million a year," the source close to the Celtics said-they don't have a need for Shumpert.

That confuses me.

Yeah.

Why wouldn't Ainge prefer to dump another long-term contract and get another chip in Shumpert? That's the most bang for the buck.

Even if you don't plan to keep Shumpert, you know he's coveted by other teams around the league.

Agreed. That's hogwash. If the Cs could dump Lee for nothing at all, they would -- much less for a nice asset (Shumpert).

[VitorSullyandKOFan]

Amare and Shumpert for Hump and Wallace I do it in a second. Then trade Bradley and keep Shumpert same skilset better size.

[LarBrd33]

I don't care if Amare never plays another game...

Hump + Wallace for Amare would be smart.

The main thing is to maintain flexibility from season to season.  Every year, you want to have a big expiring contract + picks and assets just in case a star becomes available.  Hump is a 10 mil expiring contract this year, but... correct me if I'm wrong, the Paul Pierce trade exception kind of fills that role if we need it this year, right?

Wallace has 3 years on his deal.  I'd rather take on Amare's 20 mil and have the option of floating it at the deadline next year as an expiring contract.  The Pierce trade exception serves the purpose this year... Amare's expiring would serve the purpose next year.   WE don't want to be stuck with Wallace for 3 years... he's a disgruntled loud-mouth.

[Lucky17]

People cite "flexibility" as the prime reason for taking on Amare's gargantuan non-insurable deal.

How easy do people really think it will be to move a $23 million dollar expiring contract next season?

[LarBrd33]

People cite "flexibility" as the prime reason for taking on Amare's gargantuan non-insurable deal.

How easy do people really think it will be to move a $23 million dollar expiring contract next season?

Doesn't matter if we move it or not. 

I'd take 20 million in dead-weight on the books next year if it means we don't still have 10 million in dead-weight on the team 3 seasons from now.

This season is a tank job.  I don't care about our salary circumstances.

Next season we begin digging out of the ashes.  WE'd have the option of including Amare's fat expiring contract with young players and picks if a highly paid star becomes available.

THe year after that, I'd really prefer not to have Gerald Wallace still eating up cap.

[D.o.s.]

I don't care if Amare never plays another game...

Hump + Wallace for Amare would be smart.

The main thing is to maintain flexibility from season to season.  Every year, you want to have a big expiring contract + picks and assets just in case a star becomes available.  Hump is a 10 mil expiring contract this year, but... correct me if I'm wrong, the Paul Pierce trade exception kind of fills that role if we need it this year, right?

Sort of. The trade exception allows us to take in more salary than we take out--it basically acts as a contract value chip--but the front office almost certainly doesn't want to go above the luxury tax line this year, which really limits what we can take in without sending anything out, because as far as I know the trade exception itself doesn't weigh in on the salary cap, so while we don't have 10 million in Pierce's exception sitting there taking up space, we also can't just bring in a 10 million dollar contract without going over the cap.