Celtics interested in Amare

[D.o.s.]

Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

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Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

[D.o.s.]

Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

re-checked. I think if we're really committed to cleaning house we can probably find a better trading partner than the Knicks.

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Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

re-checked. I think if we're really committed to cleaning house we can probably find a better trading partner than the Knicks.

one that's willing to take wallace, lee AND give us salary relief / assets for rondo? it's not a long list. very difficult to find that, on a variety of levels.

have to pray on the dumb teams, and even then fit is difficult. the only two who makes much sense (to me) are the Knicks and Bobcats. and like i said, without a 1st this year, not sure the Knicks have enough to make it work.

[JBcat]

Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

re-checked. I think if we're really committed to cleaning house we can probably find a better trading partner than the Knicks.

one that's willing to take wallace, lee AND give us salary relief / assets for rondo? it's not a long list. very difficult to find that, on a variety of levels.

have to pray on the dumb teams, and even then fit is difficult. the only two who makes much sense (to me) are the Knicks and Bobcats.

IMO clearing salary relief is overrated if you can't get a top player to come here.  If I trade Rondo I'd want a a potential future all star in return and/or plus multiple picks.  I don't think we are that desperate to clear salary. 

[D.o.s.]

We are, however, definitely trying to stay under the luxury tax for all the years that our team doesn't have a hope of contending. That much is pretty obvious--gotta avoid setting off the repeater tax until we're properly rebuilt.

Luckily for us, our team's ownership group has demonstrated that they're willing to spend in order to put together and keep together a championship team. We're not dealing with a bunch of Clay Bennetts.

[kozlodoev]

Wallace,Lee,Bass for Amare  is a great deal for Boston a lot of salary relief for next year when Love,Gasol and Hibbert are FA.

You can't do Wallace, Lee and Bass. This means shipping out ~$2 million more salary than you're taking in, and that will put us over the cap.

I checked on the trade machine and it worked.

I don't think the trade machine understands the concept of "hard salary cap" and when it kicks in.

edit: Oh, duh, maybe it does. I just realized the trade doesn't include Shumpert. Which makes it totally not worth our while.

[ssspence]

Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

re-checked. I think if we're really committed to cleaning house we can probably find a better trading partner than the Knicks.

one that's willing to take wallace, lee AND give us salary relief / assets for rondo? it's not a long list. very difficult to find that, on a variety of levels.

have to pray on the dumb teams, and even then fit is difficult. the only two who makes much sense (to me) are the Knicks and Bobcats.

IMO clearing salary relief is overrated if you can't get a top player to come here.  If I trade Rondo I'd want a a potential future all star in return and/or plus multiple picks.  I don't think we are that desperate to clear salary.

a) i totally disagree regarding the power of cap flexibility, b) i don't buy the same old song about FA resistance to the Cs, and c) the day Rondo returns an all-star and multiple meaningful picks, this board will be homer-free.

[ssspence]

Wallace,Lee,Bass for Amare  is a great deal for Boston a lot of salary relief for next year when Love,Gasol and Hibbert are FA.

You can't do Wallace, Lee and Bass. This means shipping out ~$2 million more salary than you're taking in, and that will put us over the cap.

I checked on the trade machine and it worked.

I don't think the trade machine understands the concept of "hard salary cap" and when it kicks in.

edit: Oh, duh, maybe it does. I just realized the trade doesn't include Shumpert. Which makes it totally not worth our while.

you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer. 

[Interceptor]

you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer.

Bass is a good player, the kind that we'd need on a championship team down the road. I'm not sure that freeing up space it worth giving him up.

Wallace and Lee are whatever.

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you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer.

Bass is a good player, the kind that we'd need on a championship team down the road. I'm not sure that freeing up space it worth giving him up.

Wallace and Lee are whatever.

you're kidding yourself if you you think the Cs wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Bass for $16mil in 2015-2016 salary / cap space.

they could sign Rondo to a max extension AND add a max FA, along with Green, Bradley, Sully, KO, etc and their picks from this year's draft, if they don't flip any of them for more valuable assets first.

Cs could also flip Amare for an asset at next year's trade deadline.

 

[LooseCannon]

you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer.

I think the Celtics might be able to get a better return by waiting.

It makes some sense if you think the Celtics won't have a team good enough to try to add an impact player to in the summer of 2014 and if you think the Celtics are better off trying to land an All-Star-caliber player through free agency rather than a trade.  I don't think it makes sense if your plan is to be a big player in the 2014 off-season or if you plan on building the team through trades rather than free agency.

[JBcat]

Should I take that as a "no, I wouldn't do that trade without the '14 first rounder?"

re-check my post.

re-checked. I think if we're really committed to cleaning house we can probably find a better trading partner than the Knicks.

one that's willing to take wallace, lee AND give us salary relief / assets for rondo? it's not a long list. very difficult to find that, on a variety of levels.

have to pray on the dumb teams, and even then fit is difficult. the only two who makes much sense (to me) are the Knicks and Bobcats.

IMO clearing salary relief is overrated if you can't get a top player to come here.  If I trade Rondo I'd want a a potential future all star in return and/or plus multiple picks.  I don't think we are that desperate to clear salary.

a) i totally disagree regarding the power of cap flexibility, b) i don't buy the same old song about FA resistance to the Cs, and c) the day Rondo returns an all-star and multiple meaningful picks, this board will be homer-free.

I'm not just talking about free agency resistance to the Celtics, I'm talking about using free agency to aquire all star talent in general.  If you look at the last 10 to 15 years in the league a much higher percentage of all stars came from either a team that drafted them or via trade.  I think it's something like 10% of all stars were from teams that signed them in free agency.   I'm trying to find the article I read that points this out, but can't find it at the moment.  Add in the bidding wars in free agency, and many players end up getting over paid. 

Also for the record I said potential all star plus picks.   Many young players don't reach their full potential.  So something along the lines of Carter-Williams or Oladipo plus a pick or 2 dependent or where you project them to finish. 

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you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer.

I think the Celtics might be able to get a better return by waiting.

It makes some sense if you think the Celtics won't have a team good enough to try to add an impact player to in the summer of 2014 and if you think the Celtics are better off trying to land an All-Star-caliber player through free agency rather than a trade.  I don't think it makes sense if your plan is to be a big player in the 2014 off-season or if you plan on building the team through trades rather than free agency.

don't follow. combined salaries of wallace, lee and bass are virtually identical to amare's for 2014-2015. wallace and lee are both untradable on their own.

[kozlodoev]

you wouldn't trade Wallace, Bass and Lee for Amare? Ainge would. No brainer.

Nope. Overall, I have no idea what we'd add with such deal: it's not cap relief, it's not talent, and it's not trade assets.