Wallace calls the team out....Again

[hpantazo]

i'm glad Green/Wallace are stepping up to the plate and being leaders.

the last thing you want on a losing team is for the young guys to develop bad habits....you saw that with Washington wizards who drafted lots of guys high but have still sucked because they've developed bad habits.

but if you are Ainge, you must be happy thus far.

1. team is losing putting you on pace to get a lotto pick
2. Vets are stepping up to provide leadership so the young guys dont develop losing habits.
3. Humphries, Wallace, Green, bass are playing well thus for if you want to include any of them in trades come the trade deadline

Wallace, Green, and Bass yes, but Humphries isn't even playing, Bradley is killing his own trade value, and Lee and Crawford suck so far.

[badshar]

this is the result of a coach that has no control of his team. Doc would put gerald in his place if he did this.

KG and others called out the team countless times, so did Doc not have any control?

[gar]

I am not quite sure why some people are so sensitive to this.

The team sucks and Gerald Wallace is speaking up

So what's the problem?

The problem:  Gerald Wallace is trying to make the team better (or at least try harder).


Most people on this board don't want our team to play better.

Speak for yourself. Have no interest in tanking. Tanking is for wimps who are so limited in the thinking that they sink to the lowest most simplistic solution to complex and multi-faceted problems.

[86MaxwellSmart]

I think Wallace is calling out Crawford---the ball just sticks in his hands, as the shot clock winds down....we gotta get rid of this bum.

[aingeforthree]

Isn't Wallace the guy that got picked towards the end ?

Call yourself out, bro.  Make a free throw while you're at it

[nickagneta]

  Shooting off your mouth is not the Celtics way

Tell that to Larry Bird, KG, Doc Rivers, Tommy Heinsohn, Red Auerbach and a host of other Celtics who had no problem going to the media to get a message through to their team mates/players

I disagree.  First in terms of the coaches/GM, whole different situation.  As far as Bird and KG, I guess I remember differently because I don't recall them spouting out some questionable conclusions on a bad team after 2 games.

An earlier post documented Wallace's history of shooting off his mouth.  That is what I see this as.  A reactionary pop, not a thought out motivational message.

I don't envy Wallace being on this team at this point in his career.  I can understand how frustrating this will be for him but I still expect him to behave better.  This stuff will get old quick and will not help.

What questionable conclusions?

From the couch in your home can you tell us where every player is supposed to be on every play, what their responsibilities are and whether they are executing according to how the TEAM is supposed to be executing? Of course you don't. You don't have the playbook. You can not hear the players talking to each other on the court. You weren't at practice listening to how the coaches want certain players to do certain things and be in specific spots at specific times.

But Wallace knows that. So does Jeff Green. And they feel that they came to the correct conclusions on how players were playing based on all that knowledge they have, that you do not.

I don't find Wallace to have made any questionable conclusions.

Also, your memory must be pretty poor if you cant remember Celtic players going to the media calling out other players to motivate them. Bird did it all the time. KG did it to a bunch of the younger players. Pierce did it often before KG arrived. And I can not recall one Celtic coach that didn't do it. So going to the media and not keeping stuff in house is definitely something you don't want, but clearly is not something that has been a part of the Celtics for decades.

[Snakehead]

Who was padding stats last night?  Please point them out I would love to see. 
It wasn't happening.

I think it's pretty obvious who he was talking about, there was only one guy with stats good enough to be considered padded.  How often are rookies able to grab 18 boards their second game?  I'd assume he's talking about Vitor positioning himself for the rebound at the cost of helping his teammates on defense (whereas KG would always do the opposite).  Meanwhile Sullinger, a guy who has earned minutes and a chance to prove himself, only played 10 minutes despite scoring 10 points and getting to the line 7 times in his first 6min.

Wallace probably thinks he's sticking up for his NBA teammates who had to risk everything to get where they are against a guy who started signing pro contracts when he was 14 and thinks he came here to earn bigger money.

I have no clue if he's right, but Wallace clearly has 1000x more of an inside scoop than any of us, and there's no reason for him to talk crap unless he's seen/heard something.

There is no such thing as padding stats for rebounds.  It's only good.  There was no one padding stats.

Vitor played a great game, much better than Wallace.

[SHAQATTACK]

So does Stevens tell Wallace to back off ,  ignore him , or start saying the same things.

Personally it's too early in the season to start pointing fingers like Wallace is doing,  even if he has a good point.......he should let the Coach take the led on such matters and then back him up.

This team has a couple nice young players , but it's not build as team and that's a recipe for disaster in the NBA.

I'm having bad feelings where this is going.   .....maybe the owners poop can the whole deal  starting with Danny.

[hpantazo]

I think Wallace is calling out Crawford---the ball just sticks in his hands, as the shot clock winds down....we gotta get rid of this bum.

I don't know...Crawford took only 1 shot last night and didn't play much overall

[Boris Badenov]

Personally it's too early in the season to start pointing fingers like Wallace is doing,  even if he has a good point.......he should let the Coach take the led on such matters and then back him up.

Agreed.

The issue is not talking to the media. Plenty of guys have done it.

The issue to me is talking to the media when you're an NBA journeyman who's played 2 games on his new team, and where you're undermining a rookie coach with no NBA experience.

[LooseCannon]

There is no such thing as padding stats for rebounds.  It's only good.  There was no one padding stats.

This is what trying to pad rebounding stats can look like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od86S-rFQHc

Kris Humphries is another guy who has been accused in the past of ignoring other facets of the game in an attempt to maximize his rebounding numbers.

[Boris Badenov]

I think THIS is what padding rebounds looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtGHHnA9ms

[kozlodoev]

I think Wallace is calling out Crawford---the ball just sticks in his hands, as the shot clock winds down....we gotta get rid of this bum.

Um, sorry, but no.

Crawford has played a total of 20 minutes in the first two games. He's taken 6 shots and has 6 assists while only turning the ball once. He has been, in fact, one of our better players.

The main candidate for this dubious distinction by Wallace is Avery Bradley, who hasn't seen a brick he hasn't liked this season. Of the players who played 40+ minutes total over the first two games, he's taken the second highest number of shots (27, behind Green's 29), and made the second lowest (8, behind Lee's 7). So he has to get a clue, and stop chucking it. It doesn't work.

A distant second possibility is Jeff Green, who had a disastrous shooting night on Friday, too. But given that he's expected to shoulder a large amount of the scoring load, I doubt one can accuse him of padding stats.

[sed522002]

I don't care about him talking to the media, but he could give a watered down version because now all there is is speculation on who was stat padding. All Wallace had to do was say "We weren't playing as a team" and left it at that. Then in the locker room he could tear into the "stat padder"

Green's statements about the team felt inclusive where as Gerald's felt like he was excluding himself from the others.

 

[mgent]

Who was padding stats last night?  Please point them out I would love to see. 
It wasn't happening.

I think it's pretty obvious who he was talking about, there was only one guy with stats good enough to be considered padded.  How often are rookies able to grab 18 boards their second game?  I'd assume he's talking about Vitor positioning himself for the rebound at the cost of helping his teammates on defense (whereas KG would always do the opposite).  Meanwhile Sullinger, a guy who has earned minutes and a chance to prove himself, only played 10 minutes despite scoring 10 points and getting to the line 7 times in his first 6min.

Wallace probably thinks he's sticking up for his NBA teammates who had to risk everything to get where they are against a guy who started signing pro contracts when he was 14 and thinks he came here to earn bigger money.

I have no clue if he's right, but Wallace clearly has 1000x more of an inside scoop than any of us, and there's no reason for him to talk crap unless he's seen/heard something.

There is no such thing as padding stats for rebounds.  It's only good.  There was no one padding stats.

Vitor played a great game, much better than Wallace.

There's definitely padding stats for rebounds, that's undisputed.  There's also padding stats for blocks.  These things aren't always good for the defense, see Sean Williams or Kevin Love.

I'm not saying Vitor is doing this, I'm just saying that's obviously who Wallace is talking about with 18 boards and 6 blocks.  On the other hand, the signs are there.  He's a rookie who obviously wants to prove himself.  I saw him steal the ball right out of the hands of Bradley with no defenders around.  I also saw him leave Sanders alone on the baseline to needlessly help on the rookie Greek PG in the paint while Sanders cut behind him for a guaranteed dunk.  He has a bit of a "show-off" mentality by catching every FT pass with one hand.

The "starter sitting in the 4th" is Sully who only played 10min.