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offense should run through KO as much as possible
« on: October 17, 2013, 11:35:28 AM »

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This is if the celts want to have a chance to win this year. Its been ridiculous the last two, three games anytime at the 2nd/3rd quarter KO is scoring or passing , celts have comeback or taken the lead now, then suddenly guys are not even passing it to him. Guys like jcraw at times and brooks almost all the time dont know how to ride the hot hand to try to win a game.

Its on stevens also to identify this issue and make plays for KO. Tell guys like brooks to stop over dribbling and utilize the inside/outside game more.

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 12:09:14 PM »

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what are they waiting for w this kid?
hes got skills and they should really be trying to develop him - run plays for him etc.
seems like so far he's just another guy in the rotation, but he gives us our best chance to develop another star. so lets get to it already!

its obviously diff from years past when rookies would play bit parts bc we had superstars. No reason I see not to have him play major role in offense early and get used to it.

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2013, 12:51:35 PM »

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Agreed. He has been shooting really efficiently the last two/three games now. Last night he shot 6/7. And should be shooting or having the opportunity to shoot more, until he shoots 50fg per. Like 10-20 at worse.

Even better than scoring for me is that anytime he is on the floor the team is a plus. He is doing it on both ends on the floor. On defense is closing lanes and tryong to block jumpers

The effort is fantastic

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2013, 12:58:37 PM »

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I'm sure Stevens is just testing lineups and different scenarios. Once the season starts, it's a whole another game. As I said before, this team will surprise a lot of people this season.

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He's not going to be guarded by Austin Daye every game.  He has the skill level to be a capable scorer, but he doesn't have the strength and experience at the moment. 

For now, I think he's better served working as a skilled finisher, playing off of others - spotting up for jumpers, scoring in transition, acting as the roll man in screening actions.  He can also be effective as a high post trigger man. On the occasions that he has a toothpick like Daye guarding him, by all means post him up. 

Down the road I think he'll strengthen up enough to see regular post-ups and function as more of a featured threat.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2013, 03:04:13 PM »

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Eh he's shown a nice passing touch for ball movement and he's got the skill set to finish but he's not ready to be the focal point offensively.

His best bet to make an offensive impact is to do all the little things in system. Hit open shots, get some offensive boards, space the floor, and move the ball.

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While I've been pleasantly surprised with his game, I'm not sure I'd make him the focal point just yet.
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While I've been pleasantly surprised with his game, I'm not sure I'd make him the focal point just yet.

Why?? What else does he have to do? Who else should be the focal point? Jeff mr passive green?

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 04:12:17 PM »

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Take a look at the last three games. KO only one in double digit scoring figures all games without being the focal point on offense pre season or not.

He needs more touches and should have the green light to score at any point. But the problem is, he doesnt take ill advise shots, so teammates have to look for him more, especially for pnr , pnp, around thr ft line

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 04:32:19 PM »

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I'm sure Stevens is just testing lineups and different scenarios. Once the season starts, it's a whole another game. As I said before, this team will surprise a lot of people this season.

100% correct.

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2013, 11:39:12 AM »

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Take a look at the last three games. KO only one in double digit scoring figures all games without being the focal point on offense pre season or not.

He needs more touches and should have the green light to score at any point. But the problem is, he doesnt take ill advise shots, so teammates have to look for him more, especially for pnr , pnp, around thr ft line

This is very true. He's not going to shoot just to get another shot up and increase his PPG if it's a bad shot *cough* Brooks *cough*. This means that everyone should be trying a little bit harder to get him the ball in his spots.

Frankly, an effort should be made to get more shots to Sullinger as well, since this team is desperately going to need efficient buckets to make up for some really weak shooting from the guards.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2013, 11:45:39 AM »

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This is if the celts want to have a chance to win this year. Its been ridiculous the last two, three games anytime at the 2nd/3rd quarter KO is scoring or passing , celts have comeback or taken the lead now, then suddenly guys are not even passing it to him. Guys like jcraw at times and brooks almost all the time dont know how to ride the hot hand to try to win a game.

Its on stevens also to identify this issue and make plays for KO. Tell guys like brooks to stop over dribbling and utilize the inside/outside game more.


  We're in the preseason. Not only are teams not game-planning, not only are they giving playing time to players that won't ever be in their regular rotations, but the opposing players barely know who he is. It's encouraging that this works in the preseason, I'm hopeful KO amounts to something, but I wouldn't expect him to be great coming out of the gate.

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2013, 12:11:22 PM »

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This is if the celts want to have a chance to win this year. Its been ridiculous the last two, three games anytime at the 2nd/3rd quarter KO is scoring or passing , celts have comeback or taken the lead now, then suddenly guys are not even passing it to him. Guys like jcraw at times and brooks almost all the time dont know how to ride the hot hand to try to win a game.

Its on stevens also to identify this issue and make plays for KO. Tell guys like brooks to stop over dribbling and utilize the inside/outside game more.


  We're in the preseason. Not only are teams not game-planning, not only are they giving playing time to players that won't ever be in their regular rotations, but the opposing players barely know who he is. It's encouraging that this works in the preseason, I'm hopeful KO amounts to something, but I wouldn't expect him to be great coming out of the gate.

Pre season is winding down fast. Some teams have one or two games left. This is not the time to experiment and set the rotation and maybe test out one or two guys.

I agree the planning aspect is not as stressed, but i do disagree that Olynyk will struggle like he did in his first two games in the pre season when the regular season begins.  He is going to avg around 10 points , 5 reb, 2-3 assist etc from the get go and i hope gets more playing time/responsibilities as the season ages and does 14 pts, 7 reb, 203 assist to content for the ROY award. (though at this rate looks like thats Oliadipo to lose)

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2013, 12:38:55 PM »

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This is if the celts want to have a chance to win this year. Its been ridiculous the last two, three games anytime at the 2nd/3rd quarter KO is scoring or passing , celts have comeback or taken the lead now, then suddenly guys are not even passing it to him. Guys like jcraw at times and brooks almost all the time dont know how to ride the hot hand to try to win a game.

Its on stevens also to identify this issue and make plays for KO. Tell guys like brooks to stop over dribbling and utilize the inside/outside game more.


  We're in the preseason. Not only are teams not game-planning, not only are they giving playing time to players that won't ever be in their regular rotations, but the opposing players barely know who he is. It's encouraging that this works in the preseason, I'm hopeful KO amounts to something, but I wouldn't expect him to be great coming out of the gate.

Pre season is winding down fast. Some teams have one or two games left. This is not the time to experiment and set the rotation and maybe test out one or two guys.

I agree the planning aspect is not as stressed, but i do disagree that Olynyk will struggle like he did in his first two games in the pre season when the regular season begins.  He is going to avg around 10 points , 5 reb, 2-3 assist etc from the get go and i hope gets more playing time/responsibilities as the season ages and does 14 pts, 7 reb, 203 assist to content for the ROY award. (though at this rate looks like thats Oliadipo to lose)

  That would be great, but keep in mind the only 14/7 rookies in the last 8 years were Cousins, Blake Griffin and Anthony Davis.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 01:09:21 PM »

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This is if the celts want to have a chance to win this year. Its been ridiculous the last two, three games anytime at the 2nd/3rd quarter KO is scoring or passing , celts have comeback or taken the lead now, then suddenly guys are not even passing it to him. Guys like jcraw at times and brooks almost all the time dont know how to ride the hot hand to try to win a game.

Its on stevens also to identify this issue and make plays for KO. Tell guys like brooks to stop over dribbling and utilize the inside/outside game more.


  We're in the preseason. Not only are teams not game-planning, not only are they giving playing time to players that won't ever be in their regular rotations, but the opposing players barely know who he is. It's encouraging that this works in the preseason, I'm hopeful KO amounts to something, but I wouldn't expect him to be great coming out of the gate.

Pre season is winding down fast. Some teams have one or two games left. This is not the time to experiment and set the rotation and maybe test out one or two guys.

I agree the planning aspect is not as stressed, but i do disagree that Olynyk will struggle like he did in his first two games in the pre season when the regular season begins.  He is going to avg around 10 points , 5 reb, 2-3 assist etc from the get go and i hope gets more playing time/responsibilities as the season ages and does 14 pts, 7 reb, 203 assist to content for the ROY award. (though at this rate looks like thats Oliadipo to lose)

  That would be great, but keep in mind the only 14/7 rookies in the last 8 years were Cousins, Blake Griffin and Anthony Davis.

and?? Why do you keep placing Olynyk at a lower level. Because he was drafted later??

It's a given the guys you listed have either more athleticism, longer wingspan or better rebounding/shot blocking skills. But also on the flipside

Olynyk > Cousins = higher IQ, maturity, motor
Olynyk > Griffin = Height, IQ, maturity, handle, jump shot, passing
Olynyk > Anthony = handle, jump shot

I'm not stating he will be better than any of these guys. He might just avg 10-12 and 6 for rest of the year but i'm optimistic. He is in a good position to avg numbers around the mark i mentioned bc of his capabilities, height adv and will get plenty of playing time (a theme in common with all of these guys).

He is going to be a good one and if you don't believe, just keep watching
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