No more excuses for Jeff Green, right?

[lightspeed5]

Didn't green play more 2 than 4 last year? Improves his rebound numbers automatically! 

playing the 2 is just a fancy way of saying "youre the only legit offensive option on this team"

[moiso]

Green has a total of 5 rebounds in 3 games.  It's almost comical. 

[billysan]

Green has a total of 5 rebounds in 3 games.  It's almost comical. 

And definitely pitiful. Is anyone really going to blame this on the 'system'?

Sorry, he doesnt look like he is bringing it (so far) to me.

[barefacedmonk]

Its just one game. Plus, its only preseason.

[thirstyboots18]

It doesn't happen often, but a thought just passed my mind.

If Jeff Green can't be the best player on a lousy team, how is he going to turn into the best player on an improving team, a good team, a great team?


Sorry...this post isn't fair.  I thought of deleting it, but decided to apologize for it instead.

[Moranis]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

[BballTim]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

  No, it's valid. His scoring off of passes (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was among the best in the league last year. I think the "create your own shot player" stuff came from the "Green plays better without Rondo" nonsense from last year.

[Boris Badenov]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

  No, it's valid. His scoring off of passes (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was among the best in the league last year. I think the "create your own shot player" stuff came from the "Green plays better without Rondo" nonsense from last year.

Tim, do you know whether his success off passes was equally good in both halves of the year last year - i.e. with and without Rondo? It sounds like you've done the research already.

[BballTim]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

  No, it's valid. His scoring off of passes (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was among the best in the league last year. I think the "create your own shot player" stuff came from the "Green plays better without Rondo" nonsense from last year.

Tim, do you know whether his success off passes was equally good in both halves of the year last year - i.e. with and without Rondo? It sounds like you've done the research already.

  I'd guess that he had more success after Rondo was injured, mainly because his fg% went up steadily over the course of the year, so he was shooting much better in general in March/April than in Nov/Dec. I don't have any kind of monthly breakdowns to confirm this, but if you look at his numbers on synergy sports his scoring efficiency off of plays that come from a pass (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was very good.

  The notion that Green needs the ball in his hands to create his offense was just a bunch of nonsense. People said it in order to bolster the "players are better on offense without Rondo" argument because they didn't understand that he wasn't fully healthy and was fairly rusty at the beginning of the season.

[Moranis]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

  No, it's valid. His scoring off of passes (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was among the best in the league last year. I think the "create your own shot player" stuff came from the "Green plays better without Rondo" nonsense from last year.

Tim, do you know whether his success off passes was equally good in both halves of the year last year - i.e. with and without Rondo? It sounds like you've done the research already.

  I'd guess that he had more success after Rondo was injured, mainly because his fg% went up steadily over the course of the year, so he was shooting much better in general in March/April than in Nov/Dec. I don't have any kind of monthly breakdowns to confirm this, but if you look at his numbers on synergy sports his scoring efficiency off of plays that come from a pass (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was very good.

  The notion that Green needs the ball in his hands to create his offense was just a bunch of nonsense. People said it in order to bolster the "players are better on offense without Rondo" argument because they didn't understand that he wasn't fully healthy and was fairly rusty at the beginning of the season.

That isn't my argument at all.  I watch Jeff Green, he isn't very good and never has been as a spot up shooter.  He doesn't post people up where positioning and ball receiving matters.  The reality is, if Green can't create his own shot he is an awful player because he just doesn't have those other skills.  He is a mediocre shooter, has no post up game, can't rebound, and is a poor passer.  His only redeeming offensive quality is his ability to create his own and you don't need a PG to do that.

[the_Bird]

Green has a total of 5 rebounds in 3 games.  It's almost comical.

I think this is it, probably - as good of a measure of "effort" as we're going to find.  Green might score one night, he might not - but he ought to be able to find at least five or six rebounds if he's playing 30 minutes, even at the small-forward spot.  If he's getting two a night, that tells me that he's just kind of coasting.

[SHAQATTACK]

Wow...Jeff looks so bad this preseason.

Wish we had went ahead and took Hardaway ...

[BballTim]

Excuse:  there's nobody to get him the ball in good spots right now.

not valid.  He isn't a catch and shoot type player and isn't a post up player.  He is a create your own shot player ala Pierce.  You don't need a PG to do that.

  No, it's valid. His scoring off of passes (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was among the best in the league last year. I think the "create your own shot player" stuff came from the "Green plays better without Rondo" nonsense from last year.

Tim, do you know whether his success off passes was equally good in both halves of the year last year - i.e. with and without Rondo? It sounds like you've done the research already.

  I'd guess that he had more success after Rondo was injured, mainly because his fg% went up steadily over the course of the year, so he was shooting much better in general in March/April than in Nov/Dec. I don't have any kind of monthly breakdowns to confirm this, but if you look at his numbers on synergy sports his scoring efficiency off of plays that come from a pass (cuts, spot up, off of screens) was very good.

  The notion that Green needs the ball in his hands to create his offense was just a bunch of nonsense. People said it in order to bolster the "players are better on offense without Rondo" argument because they didn't understand that he wasn't fully healthy and was fairly rusty at the beginning of the season.

That isn't my argument at all.  I watch Jeff Green, he isn't very good and never has been as a spot up shooter.  He doesn't post people up where positioning and ball receiving matters.  The reality is, if Green can't create his own shot he is an awful player because he just doesn't have those other skills.  He is a mediocre shooter, has no post up game, can't rebound, and is a poor passer.  His only redeeming offensive quality is his ability to create his own and you don't need a PG to do that.

  No, that wasn't your argument, but what you're saying isn't true at all. In terms of points per possession, on spot up shots Green was 35th in the league out of all players, starters and reserves. Coming off of screens he was 27th in the league, and when he makes a cut (and gets a pass) he's 11th in the league. You're right that he isn't a great post player, other than that your description was pretty much the opposite of the reality. He's fine playing off the ball, and is a much more effective scorer when he gets a pass than when he creates his own shot.

[billysan]

Interesting comment by Dave Cowens last nite during the game. I cant quote, but it was to the effect that while Jeff is an excellent player, he was hurting his game (and the team) by playing around on the perimeter with jump shots instead of taking the ball to the basket every chance he gets.

It was like "I hope you are listening Jeff" "live by the jumper, die by the jumper". Cowens went on to say Jeff could be a key player for the Celtics going forward. I hope he is.

[Sketch5]

He looks very passive. Im hoping its just him letting the other guys develop in the preseason.

There's no reason for him too look that mediocre a few months after looking so good in the playoffs. Some is his shot hasn't falling. But looked better last night.

Some is there is no good spacing when he's out there because there isn't any one the other team has to respect and stay with. so his lanes are thin and usually clogged.

I really root for the guy, just something about him. i just wish he had more of PP,KG, or Rondo's mentality when it came to the game. I do hope he its more him cruzing then not being ready for the season.

That saying if a good trade pops up right now I'd pull that trigger, only though for a younger play with more potential in the future.