Sullinger Arrested in Domestic Incident

[Eja117]

Well he's been arrested for assault and battery. Now normally I'd guess when a 260 lb man batters a woman there are some marks there, and if there aren't the police probably don't make that charge. Destruction of property. So it seems something was broken.  I'd say it's likely he probably acted inappropriately.  Either that or he just can't keep his life under control. 

[Eja117]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

So if she looked raggedy she'd be cleared of golddigger status?

really?

have you seen any ball player with a woman lookin raggedy?

[Bahku]

Have to say it, because it's rampant and it's wrong and it's what incites a flood of negativity and animosity against people in similar situations: As far as I know, there is NO ONE here who knows the facts of this case, and all of these negative statements about Jared are being made under assumptions, and it really, really gets to me.

There has been a statement made from the District Atorney's office, (which is obvious in it's bias), a statement by Sully and the Celtics, some tweets, and a bunch of unverified and unproven conjecture. How in the name of anything worthwhile can you hang this guy without knowing the full story?!?

You can't ... no one can.

It may all be very true, and the guy may be completely guilty here, but domestic violence is so rampant because it involves the greatest amount of emotion, and where love, jealousy, anger, retribution, and hatred are involved, (along with money), you simply can NOT assume anything and and expect to be taken seriously.

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Come on, this membership is better than that ... let's take the high road here, and wait for the facts/evidence/conviction before we nail this guy up and destroy his character, and not make fools of ourselves with assumption and gossip. Or, if you already have some verifiable proof of his guilt that we haven't seen yet, please provide it.

[blink]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

So if she looked raggedy she'd be cleared of golddigger status?

really?

have you seen any ball player with a woman lookin raggedy?

oh man, I was thinking about posting a rodman photo too...
but one of him in a dress.  a little lightness helps.

[indeedproceed]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

[Eja117]

Have to say it, because it's rampant and it's wrong and it's what incites a flood of negativity and animosity against people in similar situations: As far as I know, there is NO ONE here who knows the facts of this case, and all of these negative statements about Jared are being made under assumptions, and it really, really gets to me.

There has been a statement made from the District Atorney's office, (which is obvious in it's bias), a statement by Sully and the Celtics, some tweets, and a bunch of unverified and unproven conjecture. How in the name of anything worthwhile can you hang this guy without knowing the full story?!?

You can't ... no one can.

It may all be very true, and the guy may be completely guilty here, but domestic violence is so rampant because it involves the greatest amount of emotion, and where love, jealousy, anger, retribution, and hatred are involved, (along with money), you simply can NOT assume anything and and expect to be taken seriously.

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Come on, this membership is better than that ... let's take the high road here, and wait for the facts/evidence/conviction before we nail this guy up and destroy his character, and not make fools of ourselves with assumption and gossip. Or, if you already have some verifiable proof of his guilt that we haven't seen yet, please provide it.

FIne. I will reserve judgement going forward, but I want him not just found not guilty like in a Ray Lewis way. I want him found not guilty in a certain-police-officers-lose-their-jobs-they-were-so-wrong sort of way.  I want him found not guilty in a very obvious way. Waaaaayyyyy less guilty than Kobe was. They need to find proof he was miles away.  Not just not be able to prove their case against him. Have him really demonstrate conclusively this is all a huge mix up and people are apologizing to him.  It's not good enough to have guys getting arrested and then not showing significant dedication to not have this happen again.

[BballTim]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

  They have statistics about how often people lie about this? How do they gather those stats, by asking people whether they were being truthful when they made the original claim?

[indeedproceed]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

  They have statistics about how often people lie about this? How do they gather those stats, by asking people whether they were being truthful when they made the original claim?

Yeah, cases in which the original complaint was proven to be completely unfounded or fabricated. Stuff like that. My wife works in a DV agency, and I was skeptical about the 'he said she said' and personal accountability (or what I saw as personal accountability) criticisms around stuff like that but there have been pretty extensive studies done on these things. I could ask her for some reading material on it if you wanted to learn more.

[hpantazo]

I'm in no way condoning violence against women, it's innexcusable, but, let me get this straight, Kobe raped a woman, Jason Kidd beat his wife and had multiple DUIs, and Ray Lewis killed a man, and all went on to have celebrated careers, and we are supposed to dump Sullinger because he argued with his girlfriend, held her down, and broke her phone?

[Bahku]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

That could be true, but statistics doen't matter when it comes to assumption, especially in legal terms. The "stats" could be 1,000-to-one against him, and he could still be innocent ... we don't know, and that's really what matters at this point. Everything now is just conjecture. Period.

[Roy H.]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

I'd be curious to read whatever it is that you're citing.  I'm assuming that the criminal justice system of Maine isn't all that unique, and I see people lying in domestic violence situations quite frequently.  Heck, it happens so often that the legislature has made falsely accusing somebody of domestic violence a factor in child custody determinations.

[Eja117]

I'm in no way condoning violence against women, it's innexcusable, but, let me get this straight, Kobe raped a woman, Jason Kidd beat his wife and had multiple DUIs, and Ray Lewis killed a man, and all went on to have celebrated careers, and we are supposed to dump Sullinger because he argued with his girlfriend, held her down, and broke her phone?

That is absolutely the exact advice I would give my sister if she were dating him. He held you down and then broke your phone? You called the police? Good. Now dump him right away. Yeah, don't ever talk to him again. No I won't give him a job if he comes over to me. No I won' talk to him either. Of course I'll take down the pics I have of you two. 

Yes. Dump him.  Didn't like moving the pics I had of JoePa down to the basement. Thought he was a decent role model. Had to do it. Have to do this.

[indeedproceed]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

I'd be curious to read whatever it is that you're citing.  I'm assuming that the criminal justice system of Maine isn't all that unique, and I see people lying in domestic violence situations quite frequently.  Heck, it happens so often that the legislature has made falsely accusing somebody of domestic violence a factor in child custody determinations.

I'll have her get me some links tomorrow. You have a lot more experience here than I do, but from what I've read and what I've heard in presentations and the like (an unfortunate necessity as the trophy husband here), I've gone from 'its just as likely that she's lying' to 'yeah that happens, but it's not anything close to the norm'.

Im not saying Sullinger is guilty or not guilty, and Im literally wearing his jersey right now so it's not like I think that there is no need for a trial to presume him guilty, Im just saying that a statement like 'its just as likely that she's lying' is incorrect, if you look at domestic violence as a spectrum. It's a dangerous preconception in my mind that dissuades women who are in real danger from trying to get away from it.

[BballTim]

She could just as easily have lied, or been pinned because she was trying to attack or kill him, or blah, blah, blah ... the conjecture goes on and on. But please, can we give a member of the Celtics the same consideration and benefit of the doubt that EVERY American is guaranteed under the laws of this great country?!?

Statistically this isn't accurate.

Edit: To clarify, statistically, across all reported cases of domestic violence, the odds of her lying are pretty small. I don't know how it compares to people in a certain income bracket, or a not athletes, but just before we go saying its 'just as likely', it's not. It is possible, but it's not just as likely.

  They have statistics about how often people lie about this? How do they gather those stats, by asking people whether they were being truthful when they made the original claim?

Yeah, cases in which the original complaint was proven to be completely unfounded or fabricated. Stuff like that. My wife works in a DV agency, and I was skeptical about the 'he said she said' and personal accountability (or what I saw as personal accountability) criticisms around stuff like that but there have been pretty extensive studies done on these things. I could ask her for some reading material on it if you wanted to learn more.

  "proven to be completely unfounded or fabricated" is a pretty high standard. It's like claiming the only people who cheat on their taxes are the ones that are caught.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Good lord, nothing quite brings out the best in a group of people quite like a story like this. I don't think Sullinger should be released, but his actions were deplorable and I'll have a hard time cheering for him going forward. People really need to check themselves with the whole "she looks like a gold digger" angle.