Sullinger Arrested in Domestic Incident

[fitzhickey]

Kind [dang]ing that 10 hours later she still had red marks on her chest. Not a positive for Sully

i hope that this is just sully's weight and not due to force

[celticdog]

I have witnessed plenty times where someone had to hold or push someone in order to keep that person from assaulting them. There is no reason to hit or touch anyone unless its self defence in these situations. No one knows what went down but the persons involved. 

If he broke her stuff then he should have to pay up. If he put hands to her other than in self defence he should be in jail.

I don't know if this is still the case but last I heard (don't pay attention), here in FL, that both people get arrested in DV situations. If there are no witnesses then that should be the case because there is no telling what caused the situation, as I said at times DV could be as simple as I'm going to hold you so you won't hit me. The supposed victim could be claiming a false account for many different reasons. There is just no telling. People are apt to believe the woman's account over a man's any way... that's why you should take both parties into custody and investigate the situation thoroughly. A lot of times people just need to be separated in order to cool down.

Honestly, people need to choose better partners and friends so it never comes down to this.

Sometimes the abuse does not show up until after marriage/emotional commitments have been made. 

[celticdog]

Kind [dang]ing that 10 hours later she still had red marks on her chest. Not a positive for Sully

i hope that this is just sully's weight and not due to force

Same difference.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I have witnessed plenty times where someone had to hold or push someone in order to keep that person from assaulting them. There is no reason to hit or touch anyone unless its self defence in these situations. No one knows what went down but the persons involved. 

If he broke her stuff then he should have to pay up. If he put hands to her other than in self defence he should be in jail.

I don't know if this is still the case but last I heard (don't pay attention), here in FL, that both people get arrested in DV situations. If there are no witnesses then that should be the case because there is no telling what caused the situation, as I said at times DV could be as simple as I'm going to hold you so you won't hit me. The supposed victim could be claiming a false account for many different reasons. There is just no telling. People are apt to believe the woman's account over a man's any way... that's why you should take both parties into custody and investigate the situation thoroughly. A lot of times people just need to be separated in order to cool down.

Honestly, people need to choose better partners and friends so it never comes down to this.

Sometimes the abuse does not show up until after marriage/emotional commitments have been made.

Sometimes it happens after a long marriage. I'm aware that people change. I'm also aware that women abuse men too and sometimes they have to be restrained (and/or other things happen). I would never excuse an abuser if they are found guilty or there is no doubt. There are times when the abuser isn't always the guy and it's not always as simple as he put his hands on/pushed me.

[EJPLAYA]

Say what you want about waiting to get all the info, but what is already out there is enough.

So, why wait for all the info when you can be first in line to convict?

Did you read the police report?  Even if you assume that it's completely true (which I don't), don't you think there are some gaps?

Like, don't you think this can be read multiple ways?

The two argued verbally, and the argument intensified when Smith started packing up her belongings, according to the report.

“During this heated argument in the bedroom, Jared pushed her down onto the bed and got on top of her. Deann states she tried several times to get up, but he kept pinning her down and would not let her up,’’ Waltham police wrote in the report.

Does it make sense that Sullinger went from packing her stuff, to just pushing her down?  Or, could it possibly be that she physically tried to stop him?  Is their room in your imagination for her to have initiated physical contact, when she says things got more "heated"?

In a lot of situations, pinning somebody down can be an appropriate response.  She admits to being the one who "confronted" Sullinger.  She admits that the argument escalated when he asked her to leave the home.  Should we automatically assume, though, that his pinning her down (if it happened) was domestic violence?  Couldn't it just as easily be self-defense?

Maybe Sully is a scum bag.  Maybe he's got an anger management problem.  Or maybe, he found himself in an argument with a scorned woman who was upset that Sully had possibly cheated on her, and was now kicking her out of the house.  There are multiple scenarios that could lead to Sully pinning down a woman, and not all of them involve him being in the wrong.

Thus, why I'm waiting for all of the facts.  (Unfortunately, we'll never see this case go to trial, as the prosecution will quietly plead down the charges.)

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

[Bahku]

I try, ("try" as the key word here), to not make assumptions in these cases until some time has passed and many mmore facts have been brought forward.

Not intimating that this is the case in this particular situation, but whenever the defendent is a person of note or fame, (with a substantial monetary worth), there is much more incentive for some plaintiffs to make such charges.

I think any man who raises a hand to a woman, (or child or pet), is really lacking character and integrity in the worst way, and I have little empathy for such people, but everyone has the right to defend themselves when being attacked, and domestic violence cases very often walk this very fine line.

I think it's prudent in such cases to not jump to conclusions or make unfair assumptions at this point, and wait for more information to come forth and let the legal process take it's course.

[Roy H.]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

[blink]

Say what you want about waiting to get all the info, but what is already out there is enough.

So, why wait for all the info when you can be first in line to convict?

Did you read the police report?  Even if you assume that it's completely true (which I don't), don't you think there are some gaps?

Like, don't you think this can be read multiple ways?

The two argued verbally, and the argument intensified when Smith started packing up her belongings, according to the report.

“During this heated argument in the bedroom, Jared pushed her down onto the bed and got on top of her. Deann states she tried several times to get up, but he kept pinning her down and would not let her up,’’ Waltham police wrote in the report.

Does it make sense that Sullinger went from packing her stuff, to just pushing her down?  Or, could it possibly be that she physically tried to stop him?  Is their room in your imagination for her to have initiated physical contact, when she says things got more "heated"?

In a lot of situations, pinning somebody down can be an appropriate response.  She admits to being the one who "confronted" Sullinger.  She admits that the argument escalated when he asked her to leave the home.  Should we automatically assume, though, that his pinning her down (if it happened) was domestic violence?  Couldn't it just as easily be self-defense?

Maybe Sully is a scum bag.  Maybe he's got an anger management problem.  Or maybe, he found himself in an argument with a scorned woman who was upset that Sully had possibly cheated on her, and was now kicking her out of the house.  There are multiple scenarios that could lead to Sully pinning down a woman, and not all of them involve him being in the wrong.

Thus, why I'm waiting for all of the facts.  (Unfortunately, we'll never see this case go to trial, as the prosecution will quietly plead down the charges.)

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I actually think Roy is right.  Until there is more proof about what actually happened, not just allegations from the accuser, it probably makes sense to take a wait and see attitude.

There are obviously instances where any person is justified in defending themselves. 

None of us knows enough of what happened to pass judgement on Sully right now.  Enough with the sermonizing.

[Eja117]

Cut him. I have no tolerance for this bull any more. 

[Eja117]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Does this logic extend to being assaulted by little people, and 12 year olds, and frail senior citizens?  Sully is an NBA power forward.  I'm just sick of the excuse making. Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. Maybe if she is on tons of meds for violent mood swings and whatnot and it seems to be self defense, but generally speaking I see an NBA power forward that got into a fight with a woman to the extent that he got arrested. Congratulations young man.  Congratulations.

So at best we have a guy who can't keep fights to the not-getting-arrested level and is too dumb to keep in mind that this could cost him millions of dollars.

At worst we have a woman beater on the team.

Just cut him. I am so done with this.

I can never put a poster of him on my kid's wall now. I can never show my kid how hard he hustles and how hard he plays and boxes out.  Just cut him. 

[BASS_THUMPER]

ANY time you grab a phone.. i dont care if it's cell or land line..from the person trying to call the police  you got problems

[Roy H.]

ANY time you grab a phone.. i dont care if it's cell or land line..from the person trying to call the police  you got problems

Yeah.  I'm surprised that this isn't a crime in and of itself in MA.  Or, maybe that's where the intimidation of a witness charge comes in.  Up here, obstructing a call to emergency personnel is a separate crime.

[celticdog]

If this is true I will be hoping we can trade Sullinger for someone that I can root for. 

I cant root for a woman abuser. 

As an aside, I do know that women abuse men.  I had a gf who started that and I left straight away.  Who knows what that person would have been capable of if she had a submissive guy with confidence issues. 

[blink]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. 

What if she lied to the police?  Would that exonerate him to your satisfaction?  Is assuming that he is guilty more logical than assuming she made up the story?

[Eja117]

I think after the Kobe thing, the Rothlisburger thing, and the Jason Kidd thing it's pretty clear pro leagues and major colleges generally tacitly approve of treating women worse than a dog. As long as you can play.  Oh hey. Here comes Lawrence Phillips.  Founder of the "As long as you can play" club. Here's your ring Sully.