Sullinger Arrested in Domestic Incident

[Eja117]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. 

What if she lied to the police?  Would that exonerate him to your satisfaction?  Is assuming that he is guilty more logical than assuming she made up the story?

Is it more logical to assume a guy that turned himself into police and then made a public apology beat his girlfriend than it is to assume that a perfectly sane woman made up a story about her multi million dollar pro athlete beating her? Yes. It is tremendously more logical.

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I think after the Kobe thing, the Rothlisburger thing, and the Jason Kidd thing it's pretty clear pro leagues generally tacitly approve of treating women worse than a dog. As long as you can play.  Oh hey. Here comes Lawrence Phillips.  Founder of the "As long as you can play" club. Here's your ring Sully.

I agree with you on this, but I am not sure it is restricted just to pro sports.  I would say it applies to  business and life in general.  When there are ways to profit from people who are of questionable character the dollar sign usually wins.

I am just hoping that there is more to the story, and that we don't end up lumping Jared in with the rest of those players.  Obviously, I might be in the minority with that hope.

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Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. 

What if she lied to the police?  Would that exonerate him to your satisfaction?  Is assuming that he is guilty more logical than assuming she made up the story?

Is it more logical to assume a guy that turned himself into police and then made a public apology beat his girlfriend than it is to assume that a perfectly sane woman made up a story about her multi million dollar pro athlete beating her? Yes. It is tremendously more logical.

He didn't admit anything other than embarrassment in the statement he released.  So what should he do, just go on the lamb and not come back to deal with the warrant?

An arrest and an accuser's statement doesn't make it proof.  It may turn out to be that he was guilty.  But an arrest and a statement by the accuser isn't proof.

He also pleaded, not guilty.

[Eja117]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. 

What if she lied to the police?  Would that exonerate him to your satisfaction?  Is assuming that he is guilty more logical than assuming she made up the story?

Is it more logical to assume a guy that turned himself into police and then made a public apology beat his girlfriend than it is to assume that a perfectly sane woman made up a story about her multi million dollar pro athlete beating her? Yes. It is tremendously more logical.

He didn't admit anything other than embarrassment in the statement he released.  So what should he do, just go on the lamb and not come back to deal with the warrant?

An arrest and an accuser's statement doesn't make it proof.  It may turn out to be that he was guilty.  But an arrest and a statement by the accuser isn't proof.

Am I supposed to feel better that we have an arrest and an accuser's statement?  If he's so innocent I don't see the need for apology and embarrassment. If you're falsely accused do you go around apologizing?  I need to hear him say "I didn't do this in any way, shape, or form, and I can't wait to have my day in court when and if it comes to that"

Instead it's all...."I'm really sorry everyone. I can't say anything because my lawyers won't let me".   It doesn't seem to me like he believes in himself. 

[EJPLAYA]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Come on Roy! The guy is is 6'9 and 260 plus pounds. Go look at pics of his girlfriend. She is petite. At the least he has her by over 100 lbs and an entire foot. That's like saying that I need to "defend" myself physically against a 10 yr old little girl.

Unless the woman is attempting to shoot you or stab you with a knife, or hit you with a bat or something then there is never a self defense claim with a woman. I am not convicting him of any crime. We do need to see the entire situation to be able to determine what crime he is guilty of. I do have enough to label the guy a coward and a punk. I am so sick of trying to get my sons watching and following sports with me and have to read about this type of nonsense every other day in the news. Sullinger is no longer a Celtic that I have any respect for and hope that somehow we can find a way to package him and bring someone in who has a clue in life.

[Roy H.]

Unless the woman is attempting to shoot you or stab you with a knife, or hit you with a bat or something then there is never a self defense claim with a woman.

You should spend a day or two watching arraignments at a local jail.

[EJPLAYA]

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

So the only way somebody can get red marks on her chest is if she was domestically assaulted?  They can't be marks left in self-defense? 

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

I disagree to an extent.  If a woman is assaulting a man, he absolutely has the right to restrain her and keep himself from being assaulted.  There's this misconception that women are incapable of domestic violence, and that's just nonsense.

I'm not sure what harm there is in waiting for facts to come out before the public lynching.  It very well could be that Sully is a dirt bag, but let's give the situation a chance to play out.

Very little comes to mind that to my satisfaction would realistically exonerate him. 

What if she lied to the police?  Would that exonerate him to your satisfaction?  Is assuming that he is guilty more logical than assuming she made up the story?

Is it more logical to assume a guy that turned himself into police and then made a public apology beat his girlfriend than it is to assume that a perfectly sane woman made up a story about her multi million dollar pro athlete beating her? Yes. It is tremendously more logical.

He didn't admit anything other than embarrassment in the statement he released.  So what should he do, just go on the lamb and not come back to deal with the warrant?

An arrest and an accuser's statement doesn't make it proof.  It may turn out to be that he was guilty.  But an arrest and a statement by the accuser isn't proof.

He also pleaded, not guilty.

So did Hernandez... They ALL plead not guilty. Even the ones who admit that they did the crime. Just once I'd like to see one of these guys who made a mistake say they were sorry and then plead guilty and accept responsibility.

[BASS_THUMPER]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

[EJPLAYA]

Unless the woman is attempting to shoot you or stab you with a knife, or hit you with a bat or something then there is never a self defense claim with a woman.

You should spend a day or two watching arraignments at a local jail.

You shouldn't give a guy a pass who assaults a woman that he outweighs by over a hundred pounds and is a foot shorter. Usually you are spot on with things Roy, but on this one you're refusing to see what I am saying he is guilty of. I haven't convicted him of any crime, because I don't know every single fact. There is enough fact out there though to state he isn't a man.

[Eja117]

Unless the woman is attempting to shoot you or stab you with a knife, or hit you with a bat or something then there is never a self defense claim with a woman.

You should spend a day or two watching arraignments at a local jail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTbgsoHDc24

[Roy H.]

Unless the woman is attempting to shoot you or stab you with a knife, or hit you with a bat or something then there is never a self defense claim with a woman.

You should spend a day or two watching arraignments at a local jail.

You shouldn't give a guy a pass who assaults a woman that he outweighs by over a hundred pounds and is a foot shorter. Usually you are spot on with things Roy, but on this one you're refusing to see what I am saying he is guilty of. I haven't convicted him of any crime, because I don't know every single fact. There is enough fact out there though to state he isn't a man.

I wouldn't give a pass to a guy who assaulted a woman, period.

However, until I see all the facts, I'm not going to prematurely assume that an assault took place, or even that Sully acted inappropriately.  He may have, perhaps he probably did, but I'd like to actually see all of the evidence.

[cltc5]

Say what you want about waiting to get all the info, but what is already out there is enough.

So, why wait for all the info when you can be first in line to convict?

Did you read the police report?  Even if you assume that it's completely true (which I don't), don't you think there are some gaps?

Like, don't you think this can be read multiple ways?

The two argued verbally, and the argument intensified when Smith started packing up her belongings, according to the report.

“During this heated argument in the bedroom, Jared pushed her down onto the bed and got on top of her. Deann states she tried several times to get up, but he kept pinning her down and would not let her up,’’ Waltham police wrote in the report.

Does it make sense that Sullinger went from packing her stuff, to just pushing her down?  Or, could it possibly be that she physically tried to stop him?  Is their room in your imagination for her to have initiated physical contact, when she says things got more "heated"?

In a lot of situations, pinning somebody down can be an appropriate response.  She admits to being the one who "confronted" Sullinger.  She admits that the argument escalated when he asked her to leave the home.  Should we automatically assume, though, that his pinning her down (if it happened) was domestic violence?  Couldn't it just as easily be self-defense?

Maybe Sully is a scum bag.  Maybe he's got an anger management problem.  Or maybe, he found himself in an argument with a scorned woman who was upset that Sully had possibly cheated on her, and was now kicking her out of the house.  There are multiple scenarios that could lead to Sully pinning down a woman, and not all of them involve him being in the wrong.

Thus, why I'm waiting for all of the facts.  (Unfortunately, we'll never see this case go to trial, as the prosecution will quietly plead down the charges.)

Sorry. You're wrong though here Roy. As nickagneta stated, there were red marks on her chest 10 hrs afterwards. I am not stating we have all the info. I am stating that we have enough to declare the guy a coward and a punk. We may need more evidence to see if there are grounds to criminally prosecute, however not to be able to make the following judgement.

If you physically assault or control or bully a woman you are NOT A MAN. Plain and simple. You are a punk and a coward. I don't care what she does to you. I don't care if she slaps you, hits you, throws things at you, verbally assaults you. You leave. You keep your hands to yourself. If you do not nothing else matters. You are a coward. You are a punk and a loser. Plain and simple.

You or no one else has the right to declare anythig about Sully or anybody else based off of one incident swirling with speculation.  Step down off your high horse.  And let me tell you this much, woman be darned, if she comes at me with physical violence, You;re darn right I'm gonna do everything in my power to protect myself.  I get sick and tired of people thinking that walking away is always the right thing to do, sometimes, you just need to put people in their place before they learn.  It's narrow minded people like you that really screw up this world.

[celticdog]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

So if she looked raggedy she'd be cleared of golddigger status? 

[manl_lui]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

So if she looked raggedy she'd be cleared of golddigger status?

really off topic, but Sully looks like he lost a lot of weight in that dress lol

[BASS_THUMPER]

please dont forget alotta these ladies only with these dudes for money.

maybe he mad cause she let this photo of him out



him wearing a dress


to me



she look like a gold digger.

i hope he is not that stupid to let a female throw his nba career away

So if she looked raggedy she'd be cleared of golddigger status?

really?

have you seen any ball player with a woman lookin raggedy?