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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2013, 04:56:51 PM »

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Yeah I think BBD/Bass is my baseline expectation for Olynyk's rebounding. Bad for a PF, but not Bargs bad.

Any higher than that and I'll be pleased.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2013, 05:04:52 PM »

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Yeah I think BBD/Bass is my baseline expectation for Olynyk's rebounding. Bad for a PF, but not Bargs bad.

Any higher than that and I'll be pleased.

base on his Orlando performance, I would say about the same thing. Don't know if it has to do with his T-Rex arms, but for some reason for a 7 footer, he is a poor rebounder. I hope I am wrong though. I hope with he averages something like 5-6 rebounds in 25 minutes.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2013, 05:08:20 PM »

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Yeah I think BBD/Bass is my baseline expectation for Olynyk's rebounding. Bad for a PF, but not Bargs bad.

Any higher than that and I'll be pleased.

KO would have to actively disdain rebounding in order to be as bad as Bargnani.

If you're that tall and you make any kind of effort to put yourself in position and box out, you'll grab at least as many boards as guys like Bass and BBD get.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2013, 05:44:58 PM »

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Yeah I think BBD/Bass is my baseline expectation for Olynyk's rebounding. Bad for a PF, but not Bargs bad.

Any higher than that and I'll be pleased.

KO would have to actively disdain rebounding in order to be as bad as Bargnani.

If you're that tall and you make any kind of effort to put yourself in position and box out, you'll grab at least as many boards as guys like Bass and BBD get.

Bass is right in the thick of that list I posted a little while ago. The list by rp48 last year went:

Nicholson
Dante Cunningham
Kevin Seraphin
Ekpe Udoh
Patrick Patterson
Brandon Bass
Marcus Morris

These guys rated as 32-38 out of 40 in ESPN's power forward list last year, but I would actually count them as the very bottom, since the last two guys on the list were Marvin Williams and Jeff Green, who are more plausibly SFs.

If you use Hollinger's rebound rate things don't look too different.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2013, 10:36:18 AM »

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I think olynyk at worse can avg 7 rb in the nba.

Based on what?  Kelly averaged 7.3 rebounds per game in college, playing in a conference where a lot of teams are lucky to have a guy who is 6'8". 

Rebounding is one of those things that translates well between college and the NBA.  If you are a mediocre rebounder in college, than you will be in the NBA. 

I think Kelly will be right in line with Bargnani on the boards.
Rebounding translates, Olynyk's rebounding was better by rate than totals due to his relatively low minutes total for a "star" at Gonzaga.

Offensive % 11.8
Defensive % 20.54

Sullinger's for comparison
Offensive % 12.42
Defensive % 23.89

I don't expect him to be a star rebounder, but he should be better than Bargs if it translates at all....

I agree that rebounds translate.  However, there are exceptions, and I think Olynyk could be one...at least for his first few years.  And that is for 1 reason.  He won't be in the post.

At Gonzaga, he was able to play a lot of time in the post.  He played Center, and played down low, and was able to, because he was facing college competition (and mid major competition).  But, in the pros, he just isn't strong enough to play in the post, and his size isn't going to be the advantage it was in college.

As a 7 footer, who played inside a lot, he was still a mediocre college rebounder.  In the pro's, he is going to not have the length advantage nearly as much, and I am willing to bet he will be spending most of his time away from the basket, both on offense, and defense.  They will pair him with guys like Sully, who are better in the post defensively, and have him chasing around perimeter guys.  It is going to pull him away from the basket, and make him an even worse rebounder, because he is not quick enough to chase down long rebounds consistently.

I think Olynyk could potentially put on more weight, and become more of a true center, spending more time down low, kind of in a Krstic mould.  But, it would come at the cost of quickness, and I am not sure he can handle giving up too much more of that. 

I think KO's best chance of success in the league, is really embracing the stretch 4 role, which has become very common in the NBA these last few years.  And this is going to keep him from ever being much of a rebounder, or post player.  But if he can perfect that 3-point shot, he could have a long career as kind of a rich man's Steve Novak.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #95 on: August 27, 2013, 10:43:57 AM »

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Since we are talking about Olynyk's rebounding now I wanted to chime in with what I saw while watching the summer league.

KO has good rebounding instincts in terms of boxing out, he often makes contact with his man and then goes after the ball. In the SL games his problem was that he didn't maintain his contact with the guy he was boxing out until it was time to go get the rebound. In college because he was bigger than most players making quick contact with the opposing player then immediately going after the ball would work, in the NBA players are too athletic, for a quick blow would prevent them from getting a board. I think he will learn to hold his box out a full count longer and be a very good rebounder.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2013, 10:46:24 AM »

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Chris I just don't see him dipping to Bargs level of terrible on the defensive glass. He should be solid enough there to get his rebounding up to around BBD/Bass levels. He'll play inside defensively often enough I think.

I do agree that his offensive rebounding is likely to take a big hit as he plays more outside as a stretch PF early in his career.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #97 on: August 27, 2013, 10:50:43 AM »

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Chris I just don't see him dipping to Bargs level of terrible on the defensive glass. He should be solid enough there to get his rebounding up to around BBD/Bass levels. He'll play inside defensively often enough I think.

I do agree that his offensive rebounding is likely to take a big hit as he plays more outside as a stretch PF early in his career.

Yeah, maybe he won't go to Barg's level on the glass.  But I think he will struggle to get to Barg's level offensively, which will even things off a bit.  And I don't see him as a significantly better defensive player than Bargnani either.  I think seeing Bargnani on a good team, that actually plays defense will change some perceptions on him.

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« Reply #98 on: August 27, 2013, 12:06:53 PM »

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Chris I just don't see him dipping to Bargs level of terrible on the defensive glass. He should be solid enough there to get his rebounding up to around BBD/Bass levels. He'll play inside defensively often enough I think.

I do agree that his offensive rebounding is likely to take a big hit as he plays more outside as a stretch PF early in his career.

Yeah, maybe he won't go to Barg's level on the glass.  But I think he will struggle to get to Barg's level offensively, which will even things off a bit.  And I don't see him as a significantly better defensive player than Bargnani either.  I think seeing Bargnani on a good team, that actually plays defense will change some perceptions on him.

Barney got run out of toronto bc he provided little impact and was a liability on defense. This wont be the case with olynyk

Please lets not compares a soft, lack of passion of a player like bargnani to a intense player like olynyk
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #99 on: August 27, 2013, 12:44:53 PM »

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Chris I just don't see him dipping to Bargs level of terrible on the defensive glass. He should be solid enough there to get his rebounding up to around BBD/Bass levels. He'll play inside defensively often enough I think.

I do agree that his offensive rebounding is likely to take a big hit as he plays more outside as a stretch PF early in his career.

Yeah, maybe he won't go to Barg's level on the glass.  But I think he will struggle to get to Barg's level offensively, which will even things off a bit.  And I don't see him as a significantly better defensive player than Bargnani either.  I think seeing Bargnani on a good team, that actually plays defense will change some perceptions on him.

Barney got run out of toronto bc he provided little impact and was a liability on defense. This wont be the case with olynyk

Please lets not compares a soft, lack of passion of a player like bargnani to a intense player like olynyk

Let's see him play an NBA game or two first.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #100 on: August 27, 2013, 09:09:24 PM »

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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #101 on: August 27, 2013, 10:41:15 PM »

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http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/26/2013-14-nba-rookie-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a

Olynyk #2 voted by his peers to be ROY

Last year Lillard who was drafted #6 was also #2 voted by his peers.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/23/2012-nba-rookie-survey/index.html

Actually he was #3 because there was a tie for #1, but still impressive.

And more impressively he was tied for #1 for who will have the best career. (Better than ROY in my opinion).

Then oddly, he also finished tied for #1 for most overlooked.

No votes for best shooter though.

By my calcs, that means:

6 out of 33 rookies think he'll be ROY
6 out of 33 rookies think he'll have the best career.
3 out of 35 rookies think he is the most overlooked.
0 out of 36 rookies think he is the best shooter (and 12 different guys got at least one vote here).

Overall though, these are the things I like to hear.

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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2013, 12:52:28 PM »

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http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/26/2013-14-nba-rookie-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a

Olynyk #2 voted by his peers to be ROY

Last year Lillard who was drafted #6 was also #2 voted by his peers.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/23/2012-nba-rookie-survey/index.html

Actually he was #3 because there was a tie for #1, but still impressive.

And more impressively he was tied for #1 for who will have the best career. (Better than ROY in my opinion).

Then oddly, he also finished tied for #1 for most overlooked.

No votes for best shooter though.

By my calcs, that means:

6 out of 33 rookies think he'll be ROY
6 out of 33 rookies think he'll have the best career.
3 out of 35 rookies think he is the most overlooked.
0 out of 36 rookies think he is the best shooter (and 12 different guys got at least one vote here).

Overall though, these are the things I like to hear.

Good points. Its been a while we had a rookie with this much hype since pp/rondo.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2013, 12:56:44 PM »

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http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/26/2013-14-nba-rookie-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a

Olynyk #2 voted by his peers to be ROY

Last year Lillard who was drafted #6 was also #2 voted by his peers.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/23/2012-nba-rookie-survey/index.html

Actually he was #3 because there was a tie for #1, but still impressive.

And more impressively he was tied for #1 for who will have the best career. (Better than ROY in my opinion).

Then oddly, he also finished tied for #1 for most overlooked.

No votes for best shooter though.

By my calcs, that means:

6 out of 33 rookies think he'll be ROY
6 out of 33 rookies think he'll have the best career.
3 out of 35 rookies think he is the most overlooked.
0 out of 36 rookies think he is the best shooter (and 12 different guys got at least one vote here).

Overall though, these are the things I like to hear.

Good points. Its been a while we had a rookie with this much hype since pp/rondo.

actually, I am curious to see what their peers thought in 1998 (Pierce) and Rondo (06-07)

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« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2013, 01:03:32 PM »

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http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/26/2013-14-nba-rookie-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a

Olynyk #2 voted by his peers to be ROY

Last year Lillard who was drafted #6 was also #2 voted by his peers.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/23/2012-nba-rookie-survey/index.html

Actually he was #3 because there was a tie for #1, but still impressive.

And more impressively he was tied for #1 for who will have the best career. (Better than ROY in my opinion).

Then oddly, he also finished tied for #1 for most overlooked.

No votes for best shooter though.

By my calcs, that means:

6 out of 33 rookies think he'll be ROY
6 out of 33 rookies think he'll have the best career.
3 out of 35 rookies think he is the most overlooked.
0 out of 36 rookies think he is the best shooter (and 12 different guys got at least one vote here).

Overall though, these are the things I like to hear.

Good points. Its been a while we had a rookie with this much hype since pp/rondo.

actually, I am curious to see what their peers thought in 1998 (Pierce) and Rondo (06-07)

They just started this survey in 2009-2010 year? So we wouldnt know

Still crazy that pp and rondo were drafted later than they should have. Pp should of gone top 5 and rondo at least in the lotto.