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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 08:04:14 PM »

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Said this in another thread (even debated triboy16f about it, so I know he/she will disagree  :) )

Most rookie big men don't average double digit points their rookie years.


Actually it goes way beyond that.

The only NBA player to meet or beat triboy16f's Olynyk predictions in every category last year was Kevin Durant.

The optimism around here amazes me.

Anyway I've gone on enough about this in other threads, I'm not going to do it now since we have about eight different prediction threads going at once.

A quick reminder though, if you want to take your predictions (or anyone else's) and see who among actual NBA players was comparable to them last year, you can do it here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

what are you talking about?? Did i say Olynyk will score 25 and rebound 10 a game??
 
But i did say he will avg 10 points or more in his rookie year.  Some factors why imo

- highest NCAA PER and third highest FG per stats last year
- Inside/Outside game 
- High IQ/Motor
- 7 ft tall with mobility and above avg strength for 1st year rookie
- top three player of SL
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 08:18:23 PM by triboy16f »

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2013, 09:03:16 PM »

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Said this in another thread (even debated triboy16f about it, so I know he/she will disagree  :) )

Most rookie big men don't average double digit points their rookie years.


Actually it goes way beyond that.

The only NBA player to meet or beat triboy16f's Olynyk predictions in every category last year was Kevin Durant.

The optimism around here amazes me.

Anyway I've gone on enough about this in other threads, I'm not going to do it now since we have about eight different prediction threads going at once.

A quick reminder though, if you want to take your predictions (or anyone else's) and see who among actual NBA players was comparable to them last year, you can do it here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

what are you talking about?? Did i say Olynyk will score 25 and rebound 10 a game??
 
But i did say he will avg 10 points or more in his rookie year.  Some factors why imo

- highest NCAA PER and third highest FG per stats last year
- Inside/Outside game 
- High IQ/Motor
- 7 ft tall with mobility and above avg strength for 1st year rookie
- top three player of SL

What am I talking about? Here are your predictions, they are right in this thread:

16 pts, 7 reb, 2 assist, 1 block and 1 stl avg
Shooting over 50 fg and close to 80 ft percentages

First all rookie team and roy winner

So, all I did is see how many players matched or beat those numbers in all categories. The only one from last year is Durant. You can look it up if you want to.

If you want to know what player was *closest* to your predictions, I think it might be Chris Bosh. He averaged 16.6/6.8/1.5/0.9/1.4 with pretty close to 50/80 shooting. I looked that up too.

So do you think Olynyk will match Chris Bosh's 2013 production? Or KG's? He averaged 14.8/7.8/2.3/1.1/0.9 on pretty close to 50/80.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 09:52:53 PM »

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Said this in another thread (even debated triboy16f about it, so I know he/she will disagree  :) )

Most rookie big men don't average double digit points their rookie years.


Actually it goes way beyond that.

The only NBA player to meet or beat triboy16f's Olynyk predictions in every category last year was Kevin Durant.

The optimism around here amazes me.

Anyway I've gone on enough about this in other threads, I'm not going to do it now since we have about eight different prediction threads going at once.

A quick reminder though, if you want to take your predictions (or anyone else's) and see who among actual NBA players was comparable to them last year, you can do it here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

what are you talking about?? Did i say Olynyk will score 25 and rebound 10 a game??
 
But i did say he will avg 10 points or more in his rookie year.  Some factors why imo

- highest NCAA PER and third highest FG per stats last year
- Inside/Outside game 
- High IQ/Motor
- 7 ft tall with mobility and above avg strength for 1st year rookie
- top three player of SL

What am I talking about? Here are your predictions, they are right in this thread:

16 pts, 7 reb, 2 assist, 1 block and 1 stl avg
Shooting over 50 fg and close to 80 ft percentages

First all rookie team and roy winner

So, all I did is see how many players matched or beat those numbers in all categories. The only one from last year is Durant. You can look it up if you want to.

If you want to know what player was *closest* to your predictions, I think it might be Chris Bosh. He averaged 16.6/6.8/1.5/0.9/1.4 with pretty close to 50/80 shooting. I looked that up too.

So do you think Olynyk will match Chris Bosh's 2013 production? Or KG's? He averaged 14.8/7.8/2.3/1.1/0.9 on pretty close to 50/80.

optimistically yes.  Your examples are not the best. Good job using one overpaid superstar wannabe and respect to kg but older/injured guy to try to get your point across

1) Bosh is an underachiever. A guy who makes 20 million a year does 14.8/7.8 is kind of pathetic isn't it?? 

2) KG had his worse year as a celtic last year. Plus he was prob playing at 80 percent due to his age/injuries. You think kg of 2008 pulls those kind of number??

So yeah, Olynyk can at peak do what these guys did last year(off year).  Realistically he is 12-16pts and 6-8reb , 1-2 assist and not 6 pts, 3 rebounds shooting at 40 fg per avg. That is crazy underrating. It must be a joke post

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 10:12:14 PM »

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Said this in another thread (even debated triboy16f about it, so I know he/she will disagree  :) )

Most rookie big men don't average double digit points their rookie years.


Actually it goes way beyond that.

The only NBA player to meet or beat triboy16f's Olynyk predictions in every category last year was Kevin Durant.

The optimism around here amazes me.

Anyway I've gone on enough about this in other threads, I'm not going to do it now since we have about eight different prediction threads going at once.

A quick reminder though, if you want to take your predictions (or anyone else's) and see who among actual NBA players was comparable to them last year, you can do it here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

what are you talking about?? Did i say Olynyk will score 25 and rebound 10 a game??
 
But i did say he will avg 10 points or more in his rookie year.  Some factors why imo

- highest NCAA PER and third highest FG per stats last year
- Inside/Outside game 
- High IQ/Motor
- 7 ft tall with mobility and above avg strength for 1st year rookie
- top three player of SL

What am I talking about? Here are your predictions, they are right in this thread:

16 pts, 7 reb, 2 assist, 1 block and 1 stl avg
Shooting over 50 fg and close to 80 ft percentages

First all rookie team and roy winner

So, all I did is see how many players matched or beat those numbers in all categories. The only one from last year is Durant. You can look it up if you want to.

If you want to know what player was *closest* to your predictions, I think it might be Chris Bosh. He averaged 16.6/6.8/1.5/0.9/1.4 with pretty close to 50/80 shooting. I looked that up too.

So do you think Olynyk will match Chris Bosh's 2013 production? Or KG's? He averaged 14.8/7.8/2.3/1.1/0.9 on pretty close to 50/80.

optimistically yes.  Your examples are not the best. Good job using one overpaid superstar wannabe and respect to kg but older/injured guy to try to get your point across

1) Bosh is an underachiever. A guy who makes 20 million a year does 14.8/7.8 is kind of pathetic isn't it?? 

2) KG had his worse year as a celtic last year. Plus he was prob playing at 80 percent due to his age/injuries. You think kg of 2008 pulls those kind of number??

So yeah, Olynyk can at peak do what these guys did last year(off year).  Realistically he is 12-16pts and 6-8reb , 1-2 assist and not 6 pts, 3 rebounds shooting at 40 fg per avg. That is crazy underrating. It must be a joke post

I bought my ticket on the Olynyk Wagon when we selected him... but even I admit you can't underrate him if we don't even know if he can play in the NBA yet. I mean, sure it can turn out to be an underrating but right now we don't know ANYTHING as far as his play in the NBA, so you can technically say any guess is underrated (or overrating for that matter).
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2013, 10:12:39 PM »

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Andrew Nicholson last year did

16.7 min 7.8 pts, 3.4 reb avg. So he has one year of nba experience under his belt. SL or not in game 1 he matched up against Oly and did 1-9 shooting, 3 reb in 23 min while Oly ruined him doing 9-12 25 pts, 7 reb, 2 assist, 2 steals in 26 min.  In game 5 he also outplayed him.

Craig Smith who started as pf/c several games last year for the Rockets plus has 2 year experience under his belt, got toyed by Olynyk on several possessions at the SL. Olynyk overall another efficient scoring game shooting 8-14

I'm not stating Olynyk will dance around better players, but my point is, just bc you have nba experience doesn't mean rookies or euro players are dead meat. #2 if Nicholson pulled the number he did last year, with Olynyk pretty much embarressing him at the SL, i think we can assume at min Olynyk playing the same amount of min scores one or two more buckets and a few more rebounds
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2013, 02:29:16 AM »

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I reckon that he will end up averaging 18 minutes per game, with the number possibly peaking at 30 when we suffer our annual injury crisis, and ends up with 9.5 ppg, 4 rebs, 2.1 assists, and 0.5 blocks for the season. It will mostly be coming off the bench as an offensive spark plug slash point forward slash 6th man.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2013, 08:09:36 AM »

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all going to depend on if the log jam is taken care of
sully, bass, olynyk, humphries
that's the key.  with that many PFs and with Green and Wallace possibly seeing minutes there, KO may not get the minutes to put up big numbers until the logjam is cleared.

barring a major trade before the deadline that unloads 2 other pfs, 8pt, 3reb, .5 stl, 1.5 asst

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2013, 12:01:17 PM »

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I haven't been able to pay lots of attention to this but what's the deal with his plantar fascitis thing? How's that going? Is there major worry of it coming back during the season?

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2013, 02:12:39 PM »

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I haven't been able to pay lots of attention to this but what's the deal with his plantar fascitis thing? How's that going? Is there major worry of it coming back during the season?
http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/23/4651108/kelly-olynyk-recovering-from-plantar-fasciitis

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2013, 02:37:22 PM »

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I think he will have some big games, but overall, I would say 6.5 points and 3 rebounds per game.  I think the game is going to be a little too physical for him to stay on the floor much. 

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2013, 03:53:53 PM »

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Said this in another thread (even debated triboy16f about it, so I know he/she will disagree  :) )

Most rookie big men don't average double digit points their rookie years.


Actually it goes way beyond that.

The only NBA player to meet or beat triboy16f's Olynyk predictions in every category last year was Kevin Durant.

The optimism around here amazes me.

Anyway I've gone on enough about this in other threads, I'm not going to do it now since we have about eight different prediction threads going at once.

A quick reminder though, if you want to take your predictions (or anyone else's) and see who among actual NBA players was comparable to them last year, you can do it here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

what are you talking about?? Did i say Olynyk will score 25 and rebound 10 a game??
 
But i did say he will avg 10 points or more in his rookie year.  Some factors why imo

- highest NCAA PER and third highest FG per stats last year
- Inside/Outside game 
- High IQ/Motor
- 7 ft tall with mobility and above avg strength for 1st year rookie
- top three player of SL

What am I talking about? Here are your predictions, they are right in this thread:

16 pts, 7 reb, 2 assist, 1 block and 1 stl avg
Shooting over 50 fg and close to 80 ft percentages

First all rookie team and roy winner

So, all I did is see how many players matched or beat those numbers in all categories. The only one from last year is Durant. You can look it up if you want to.

If you want to know what player was *closest* to your predictions, I think it might be Chris Bosh. He averaged 16.6/6.8/1.5/0.9/1.4 with pretty close to 50/80 shooting. I looked that up too.

So do you think Olynyk will match Chris Bosh's 2013 production? Or KG's? He averaged 14.8/7.8/2.3/1.1/0.9 on pretty close to 50/80.

optimistically yes.  Your examples are not the best. Good job using one overpaid superstar wannabe and respect to kg but older/injured guy to try to get your point across

1) Bosh is an underachiever. A guy who makes 20 million a year does 14.8/7.8 is kind of pathetic isn't it?? 

2) KG had his worse year as a celtic last year. Plus he was prob playing at 80 percent due to his age/injuries. You think kg of 2008 pulls those kind of number??

So yeah, Olynyk can at peak do what these guys did last year(off year).  Realistically he is 12-16pts and 6-8reb , 1-2 assist and not 6 pts, 3 rebounds shooting at 40 fg per avg. That is crazy underrating. It must be a joke post

If you don't like my examples, feel free to pick your own.

If you want to focus on rookies, I will just tell you that since 1979 the total number of rookies who have averaged 16/7/2/1/1 or better is six. That is six total in 34 years.

Here is the list:

David Robinson
Chris Webber
Patrick Ewing
Christian Laettner
Lamar Odom
Lionel Simmons

Of those players, none hit your projections of close to 50/80 shooting.

In other words exactly zero rookies in the shot clock era have hit the numbers in all categories that you are projecting for Olynyk.

Even if you pick significantly more modest numbers there are very few rookies who put together the kind of balanced stat line you are projecting, particularly shooting so efficiently.

It's curious, given those facts, that you call your own projections "realistic" while calling the projections of others "crazy."

Anyway, if those are your projections, that's cool, we all hope that KO turns out to be a great player. But it's useful to have some perspective.

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2013, 03:59:33 PM »

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I think he will have some big games, but overall, I would say 6.5 points and 3 rebounds per game.  I think the game is going to be a little too physical for him to stay on the floor much.

Really? So he will have a worse year than andrew nicholson did in year one?

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2013, 04:59:42 PM »

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I think he will have some big games, but overall, I would say 6.5 points and 3 rebounds per game.  I think the game is going to be a little too physical for him to stay on the floor much.

Really? So he will have a worse year than andrew nicholson did in year one?

I'm not quite sure why you've brought Andrew Nicholson up twice in this thread, but he had a pretty good rookie year.  Per 36 of 16.9/7.4/1.3/0.9/0.7 while shooting 53 and 80, a solid 15.1 PER too.  I think it would be great if Olynyk did that.  But why is he the bar by which we measure Olynyk?

He was a rookie who put up good numbers in normal rookie minutes.

The C's had a stud in Sully who didn't even put up "Andrew Nicholson" numbers.

Personally I would be happy if Olynyk matched Nicholson's production.

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Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2013, 05:17:45 PM »

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I think he will have some big games, but overall, I would say 6.5 points and 3 rebounds per game.  I think the game is going to be a little too physical for him to stay on the floor much.

Really? So he will have a worse year than andrew nicholson did in year one?

I think Chris is projecting pretty comparable numbers for KO vs. Nicholson (6.5/3 vs. 7.8/3.5).

Nicholson was the 19th pick last year, and Olynyk was 13th this year in a weaker draft.

You on the other hand are projecting KO's 2013-14 numbers as comparable to what Anthony Davis put up last year (AD had 13/8/1/1/2 vs. your KO projection of 16/7/2/1/1).

Davis was the consensus #1 pick and is viewed as a potential franchise player.

Which comparison seems like more of a stretch?

Re: Kelly Olynyk 2013-2014 predictions.
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2013, 05:54:54 PM »

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I think he will have some big games, but overall, I would say 6.5 points and 3 rebounds per game.  I think the game is going to be a little too physical for him to stay on the floor much.

Really? So he will have a worse year than andrew nicholson did in year one?



I think Chris is projecting pretty comparable numbers for KO vs. Nicholson (6.5/3 vs. 7.8/3.5).

Nicholson was the 19th pick last year, and Olynyk was 13th this year in a weaker draft.

You on the other hand are projecting KO's 2013-14 numbers as comparable to what Anthony Davis put up last year (AD had 13/8/1/1/2 vs. your KO projection of 16/7/2/1/1).

Davis was the consensus #1 pick and is viewed as a potential franchise player.

Which comparison seems like more of a stretch?

When you compare or defend nicholson i dont know what to say. Watch the sl games first. I dont care if olynyk was undrafted, he took him to school, twice.

Chris states due to lack of strength oly will struggle. He has a inside/outside game for a reason. He could shoot mid range all day long and score 10. If the player defending him gets closer he can dribble by them for a layup.

If he plays 10 min, sure 6ppg, 3 rb is ok. But i bet he plays 18 min or more.