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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1680 on: August 22, 2013, 01:57:58 PM »

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We think Aaron will fit in perfectly with what we are doing here in L.A. he is a great defender and shoots a high percentage not just from the field but from 3pt range as well.

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1681 on: August 22, 2013, 02:01:50 PM »

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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1682 on: August 22, 2013, 02:02:20 PM »

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So far my highest ranked guys to go this round have been Afflalo, Reddick, Nene, and splitter.  In no particular order.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1683 on: August 22, 2013, 02:03:00 PM »

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For the team that refuses to ever be small

Tiago Splitter

Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO

I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.

Still, great pick nonetheless.

Well the numbers would indicate you're incorrect in everything but the last 2 sentences.

JV is way younger, and has a burgeoning midrange game, but Splitter is a better finisher, better pick and roll partner, better defender, better rebounder, scores more, scores more efficiently, and had playoff experience.

Scores more on average 2 points and better FG% by 2%. Okay. 2% is such a huge difference. But since we're there, JV TS% is better by a point.

Trueshooting is a viable stat, I hadn't looked at it. Good get.

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Rebounding is pretty much the same at 6 a game (okay Splitter wins by .4).
Actually, rebounding is identical. Same identical rebounding %

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JV blocks more shots, Splitter gets more steals.

If that's how you measure defense, that's one thing. But according to synergy stats (stats that measure actual individual performance against another player in specific contexts), Splitter is the 72 best defender in the league, Priest Vallon is 279th.

Put differently, according to synergy sports, a sometimes flawed system (like any other), when ranking Valencia California's ability to directly prevent opposing players from scoring, there are 278 players in the NBA better than him at stopping guys.

According to 82 games, Valero gets outscored by other centers on an average of 5 points per 48 minutes. According to the same site, Splitter outscores his opposing centers by 6.2 points per 48 minutes.

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I guess Splitter, is by decimal points, better than JV, but he had some help along the way.

Well, Splitter was a less featured part of his offense, he's gotta fight a hall of famer for rebounds, along with plus rebounders for their positions at 1-3 (IIRC, I might be wrong there), so there's that to consider as well. Its not like Splitter gets a +3 dex score because he plays next to Duncan or something, playing with high-caliber players cuts both ways.

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Again, I think it's a great pick, by no means I'm saying it's a terrible selection. I'm just disagreeing that he should be the 1st big to be selected in this round, because I'm quite certain people would take JV, maybe Nene over him.

I'd tell you this, I'd take him over DeAndre though.

Okay, I'm saying that statistically, those people would be opting for the less productive player. And then factor in experience, and ability to 'act like he's been there before', and Splitter's a pretty great value here.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1684 on: August 22, 2013, 02:03:11 PM »

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Waiting on a few PMs before picking. Won't make it late though.

(Yoki and ron, check 'em.)

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1685 on: August 22, 2013, 02:06:17 PM »

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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round.  Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now.  Think moving back was the right move.

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1686 on: August 22, 2013, 02:07:19 PM »

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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round.  Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now.  Think moving back was the right move.

Speaking of moving back, if someone wants to jump from the top of the 5th to the next pick, PM us meow.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1687 on: August 22, 2013, 02:07:40 PM »

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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round.  Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now.  Think moving back was the right move.

Yup, only about 4 out of my list of 30 guys have been picked.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1688 on: August 22, 2013, 02:08:12 PM »

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Splitter was better than Valanciunas last season but I would be shocked if Valanciunas wasn't the better next season.

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1689 on: August 22, 2013, 02:09:16 PM »

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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round.  Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now.  Think moving back was the right move.

Speaking of moving back, if someone wants to jump from the top of the 5th to the next pick, PM us meow.

Check 'em.

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1690 on: August 22, 2013, 02:13:18 PM »

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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.

And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.

I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18

What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?

Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?
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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1691 on: August 22, 2013, 02:15:29 PM »

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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.

Cleveland selects Tony Allen.

His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.

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« Reply #1692 on: August 22, 2013, 02:15:34 PM »

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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.

And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.

I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18

What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?

Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?


That would be a talent evaluation issue, not a fairness is pick exchange. 

Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1693 on: August 22, 2013, 02:17:17 PM »

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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.

Cleveland selects Tony Allen.

His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.

Solid
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Re: 2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread - Round 4, Let's Get It On.
« Reply #1694 on: August 22, 2013, 02:18:22 PM »

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