Chris Forsberg reports on TE gained in Nets trade

[action781]

Given when this TE runs out, which free agents are available before it runs out that could fit into the TE, and the players that they could trade for that could fit into the TE, I wonder if it ever gets used.

The only free agent that might fit into it next year that might be of interest to Ainge in a young rebuilt type team is DeMarcus Cousins and even then, Sactown would have to sign and trade him which I am not sure they do, though maybe they do if we are sending them a couple of first rounders.

As for players, is there anyone but Omer Asik that makes sense for this team that fits into the exception? We have a ton of role players. We need a real starting center or a superstar at the PF, SF or SG positions to add to the core and even then, that's only if Green, Sully or Olynyk don't blow up and become superstars.

But getting the exception is awesome and I hope Danny turns it into something special and not just some more role players.

What do you think about Lamarcus Aldridge?  If they have another poor season and expect Aldridge wants out, what do you think about the TE, 2014 Brooklyn first rounder, celtics 2015 first rounder for Aldridge?  The numbers are close, but might not work.

Or to make it easier, we could instead just send Humphries' expiring contract with those 2 picks at the trade deadline.  Perhaps offer one of Sullinger or Olynyk as well, whichever Danny sees less of in his future plans.

Then maybe the TE can be used on one of the many centers available around that price like Cousins (like you suggested), McGee, Jordan, Nene, Noah, Perkins, Horford, Asik, Varejao.

This could be a much quicker turn around than people expect.

[Boris Badenov]

Given when this TE runs out, which free agents are available before it runs out that could fit into the TE, and the players that they could trade for that could fit into the TE, I wonder if it ever gets used.

The only free agent that might fit into it next year that might be of interest to Ainge in a young rebuilt type team is DeMarcus Cousins and even then, Sactown would have to sign and trade him which I am not sure they do, though maybe they do if we are sending them a couple of first rounders.

As for players, is there anyone but Omer Asik that makes sense for this team that fits into the exception? We have a ton of role players. We need a real starting center or a superstar at the PF, SF or SG positions to add to the core and even then, that's only if Green, Sully or Olynyk don't blow up and become superstars.

But getting the exception is awesome and I hope Danny turns it into something special and not just some more role players.

I agree with you that a lot of things have to break in the right direction for this to be valuable.

But if nothing else, it's just an example of Danny squeezing every ounce of value out of the deal, even when the odds of a payoff might be low. Danny recognizes that the more times you get to roll the dice, the better the chance of a big payoff.

[CelticSooner]

Well done Mr. Ainge!

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

That's the standard now?  Being "competitive"?

I said I think it's unlikely we'll be a true contender within five years.  I stand by that.

It is fine to hold that opinion, but the entitlement seen around here, that The Celtics are vested to contend every year gets tiresome quickly. I personally think this rebuild has taken a solid first step and it won't be 5 years till they are strongly competitive. But the idea that it is all bullhicky if they aren't absolute contenders, well, what is the fun in that?

Roy, you obviously remember the years between 16 and 17. While there were some real stinkers there there was also the fun and enjoyment of watching basketball. To see that replaced with "that's the standard now?" is, frankly, depressing.

But I'm the guy who would rather have fun watching a team I enjoy that isn't winning it all than a team I dislike contending, so use that grain of salt.

[action781]

I imagine Orlando must be dying to get out from Afflalo's contract.  He's their only relatively highly priced player still on contract after the 2014-15 season, he's strictly a role player, and Oladipo is their SG of the future.

I bet we could send the TE to Orlando for Afflalo.  This would depend on if we could move Courtney Lee (or use stretch provision on him, which would be of minimal impact).

Or would Orlando be interested in a Lee-Afflalo swap straight up to save $2.5M per year over the next 3 seasons?  Would Boston be interested in that?

[nickagneta]

Just so everyone knows, none of these guys can be traded for next year using the TE:

Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Carmelo Anthony
Amar'e Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Manu Ginobili
LeBron James
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Rudy Gay
Kevin Durant
Zach Randolph
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
Paul Pierce
Carlos Boozer
Marc Gasol
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
LaMarcus Aldridge
Emeka Okafor
Eric Gordon
Roy Hibbert
Luol Deng
Tyson Chandler
Danny Granger
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
James Harden
Josh Smith
Al Jefferson
Ben Gordon
Nene Hilario
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett
Serge Ibaka
Hedo Turkoglu
David West
Al Horford
Andrea Bargnani
Nicolas Batum
Andre Iguodala
Joakim Noah
Beno Udrih
Richard Jefferson
DeAndre Jordan
Ty Lawson
JaVale McGee

Simply put, until the season ends next year, they make too much money to be traded for with the TE.

And this might not be a complete list as there might be even more added once this off season is over and players like Ellis and Pekovic get new contracts.

[TripleOT]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks. 

[nickagneta]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks.

I wonder how his poison pill provision would affect such a trade. He makes like $5+ million during this upcoming season and then $14+ million for 2014-15.

[Roy H.]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

That's the standard now?  Being "competitive"?

I said I think it's unlikely we'll be a true contender within five years.  I stand by that.

It is fine to hold that opinion, but the entitlement seen around here, that The Celtics are vested to contend every year gets tiresome quickly. I personally think this rebuild has taken a solid first step and it won't be 5 years till they are strongly competitive. But the idea that it is all bullhicky if they aren't absolute contenders, well, what is the fun in that?

Roy, you obviously remember the years between 16 and 17. While there were some real stinkers there there was also the fun and enjoyment of watching basketball. To see that replaced with "that's the standard now?" is, frankly, depressing.

But I'm the guy who would rather have fun watching a team I enjoy that isn't winning it all than a team I dislike contending, so use that grain of salt.

What's the sense of blowing up last year's team if the goal is only to be "competitive", though, without really contending?

I think you're misunderstanding the context of the conversation between Smitty and I, though.  He's referencing another thread, where others were claiming we'd be contenders within five years.  I said I'm skeptical of that, and was labeled as "negative".  I still stand by that.  It's really, really hard to be a contender in the NBA, and I'm pretty doubtful that Danny is going to pull off that total rebuild in five years.

I'd love to be wrong, though.

[LooseCannon]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks.

I wonder how his poison pill provision would affect such a trade. He makes like $5+ million during this upcoming season and then $14+ million for 2014-15.

It would be treated as $8.37m when it comes to trades, luxury tax calculations, or anything else cap-related.

[hpantazo]

Just so everyone knows, none of these guys can be traded for next year using the TE:

Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Carmelo Anthony
Amar'e Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Manu Ginobili
LeBron James
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Rudy Gay
Kevin Durant
Zach Randolph
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
Paul Pierce
Carlos Boozer
Marc Gasol
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
LaMarcus Aldridge
Emeka Okafor
Eric Gordon
Roy Hibbert
Luol Deng
Tyson Chandler
Danny Granger
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
James Harden
Josh Smith
Al Jefferson
Ben Gordon
Nene Hilario
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett
Serge Ibaka
Hedo Turkoglu
David West
Al Horford
Andrea Bargnani
Nicolas Batum
Andre Iguodala
Joakim Noah
Beno Udrih
Richard Jefferson
DeAndre Jordan
Ty Lawson
JaVale McGee

Simply put, until the season ends next year, they make too much money to be traded for with the TE.

And this might not be a complete list as there might be even more added once this off season is over and players like Ellis and Pekovic get new contracts.

and basically anyone on the clippers roster, per Heir Stern's ruling regarding the Doc deal.

[Cman]

The most likely time for the trade exception to be used is at the trade deadline, when a team is looking to do a salary dump to save on luxury tax, or around the draft, when teams are looking for someone who can absorb a contract to facilitate a deal. 

Yes, I think this makes sense.

The big thing with the TE is that it gives Danny options and flexibility. He may or may not use it. But kudos to Danny for getting such a big TE out of the deal -- you can't use what you don't have...

[nickagneta]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks.

I wonder how his poison pill provision would affect such a trade. He makes like $5+ million during this upcoming season and then $14+ million for 2014-15.

It would be treated as $8.37m when it comes to trades, luxury tax calculations, or anything else cap-related.

Is that new with the new CBA, LC, because I remember using the various trade machine a couple years ago and the poison pill provisions always made the trades almost impossible for those players?

[LooseCannon]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks.

I wonder how his poison pill provision would affect such a trade. He makes like $5+ million during this upcoming season and then $14+ million for 2014-15.

It would be treated as $8.37m when it comes to trades, luxury tax calculations, or anything else cap-related.

Is that new with the new CBA, LC, because I remember using the various trade machine a couple years ago and the poison pill provisions always made the trades almost impossible for those players?

I think that was always the rule.  That's certainly how Larry Coons interprets the rule.

[Roy H.]

Asik is the guy I'd target.  Maybe Houston next summer wants to cut payroll and take a few future draft picks.

I wonder how his poison pill provision would affect such a trade. He makes like $5+ million during this upcoming season and then $14+ million for 2014-15.

It would be treated as $8.37m when it comes to trades, luxury tax calculations, or anything else cap-related.

Is that new with the new CBA, LC, because I remember using the various trade machine a couple years ago and the poison pill provisions always made the trades almost impossible for those players?

The typical "poison pill" is something different:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

There aren't many contracts out there like Lin's and Asik's, because few GMs have taken advantage of the possibility like Morey did.

I believe that LC is right.  If you're talking about the cap, it's an $8.3 million hit.  The only place Asik's contract hurts is in actual dollars.  The Rockets' owner will have to write out checks for $15 million to Asik next year.