Chris Forsberg reports on TE gained in Nets trade

[Smitty77]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

[Bankshot]

Anybody hear the Celts are getting a $10.3 million trade exception?

Nope.

LOL

[Tnerb02]

The Celtics basically only have 3 days to use this trade exception. The July moratorium expires on July 9th next year while the trade exception expires on July 12th. The Celtics have a hard cap this season, so we will not be able to absorb the entire value of the trade exception until next offseason, unless we make trades that shed massive amounts of salary before then for the current year. While it is good to get a trade exception, it will probably just expire. I wouldn't get too excited about it, even if it is 10.3 million.

[Roy H.]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

That's the standard now?  Being "competitive"?

I said I think it's unlikely we'll be a true contender within five years.  I stand by that.

[Tnerb02]

I had read like 7 million TE earlier.   I think this will be used to offer up Humphries or Wallace to a playoff team that needs some pop for some assets.   Hopefully but Humphries and Wallace return to form and some playoff team needs depth and gives up picks or young assets for them and the TE.

Trade exceptions are only useful in adding salary, not dumping salary on another team.

[Celtics4ever]

Thanks for the headsup TP

[Smitty77]

Lucky 17, Loose Cannon, and Roy,

You guys are amazing.  My head is spinning and you all talk about this like making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!!:-)))  My hat is off to you guys!!  I wish I could understand the salary cap rules, etc. like you all!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

That's the standard now?  Being "competitive"?

I said I think it's unlikely we'll be a true contender within five years.  I stand by that.

Define a "true contender" for me please.  What does that mean to you?  Top five or six in the league or what?

[rondohondo]

While I wouldn't describe the trade exception as "insanely valuable" like Forsberg does, it does have a lot of value.  We've seen teams like Cleveland and Utah gain assets for absorbing other teams' unwanted salary, and there's a chance that this can be used.

The value is mitigated to some degree because at least for this season, the team is unlikely to want to add salary.  Come draft time and early next summer, though, Danny could use this to add more to the deal.

I didn't like the trade for two reasons: 1) I thought the Celtics should reload, and 2) I didn't think the Celtics got good value.  The trade exception could potentially help a lot with #2.

Hey Negative Nancy, I mean Roy,

Do you still think it will be MORE than five years before we are even competitive?

Smitty77

P.S.  Danny is a GENIUS baby:-)))))))))))))))))

That's the standard now?  Being "competitive"?

I said I think it's unlikely we'll be a true contender within five years.  I stand by that.

and we would have been for the next 5 years if we reloaded with MLE role players to a 37 and 36 year old # 1 and 2 options ?

This will make us a contender again a lot sooner than adding mediocre talent to the team we had.

Assets now
9 first rd picks in the next 5 years
10.3 TE
Humpheries large expiring contract

some young trade chips : Bradley,Sully,KO

I have a feeling Danny is going to go after Aldridge, Marc Gasol , or Love , who will all be coming to the end of their contracts in the next few years.

[Tnerb02]

Lucky 17, Loose Cannon, and Roy,

You guys are amazing.  My head is spinning and you all talk about this like making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!!:-)))  My hat is off to you guys!!  I wish I could understand the salary cap rules, etc. like you all!!

Smitty77

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

That is a great website to learn about how the salary cap works.

[LooseCannon]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

2011 CBA: Taxpaying teams can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away (same as 2005 CBA). Non-taxpaying teams (based on their post-trade salary level) can acquire up to the lesser of 150 percent plus $100,000, or 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries they trade away. The cash a team pays or receives in trade is limited to $3 million annually.

So, that first part of the deal that LC highlighted demonstrates that the Celtics assume non-tax paying status after the trade is processed.

Meaning, they could trade Pierce's deal for Bogans', and thereby create the exception.

I guess what's most interesting about this trade is that it was "aggregated" differently for each team. I'd assumed that the deal had to be identically structured (in terms of mechanics) for both sides.

Yes that is exactly my question as well.  How can it be viewed as 2 trades for Boston and only 1 trade for the Nets?  If it is one trade for both teams, why does an exception get generated?

The two teams are trading the same players but they are not making the same set of trades.  It's a matter of different perspectives.  Basically, sometimes A is not A.

[LooseCannon]

I have a feeling Danny is going to go after Aldridge, Marc Gasol , or Love , who will all be coming to the end of their contracts in the next few years.

He can't force another team to trade a player like that.  You sort of have to get lucky that the right player becomes available at the right time.  But I think that Ainge has come pretty close to maximizing the Celtics' ability to get lucky.

[nickagneta]

Given when this TE runs out, which free agents are available before it runs out that could fit into the TE, and the players that they could trade for that could fit into the TE, I wonder if it ever gets used.

The only free agent that might fit into it next year that might be of interest to Ainge in a young rebuilt type team is DeMarcus Cousins and even then, Sactown would have to sign and trade him which I am not sure they do, though maybe they do if we are sending them a couple of first rounders.

As for players, is there anyone but Omer Asik that makes sense for this team that fits into the exception? We have a ton of role players. We need a real starting center or a superstar at the PF, SF or SG positions to add to the core and even then, that's only if Green, Sully or Olynyk don't blow up and become superstars.

But getting the exception is awesome and I hope Danny turns it into something special and not just some more role players.

[rondohondo]

I have a feeling Danny is going to go after Aldridge, Marc Gasol , or Love , who will all be coming to the end of their contracts in the next few years.

He can't force another team to trade a player like that.  You sort of have to get lucky that the right player becomes available at the right time.  But I think that Ainge has come pretty close to maximizing the Celtics' ability to get lucky.

Danny scheming


Danny plan coming together

[LooseCannon]

The most likely time for the trade exception to be used is at the trade deadline, when a team is looking to do a salary dump to save on luxury tax, or around the draft, when teams are looking for someone who can absorb a contract to facilitate a deal.  Luxury tax is calculated based on salary on the last day of the regular season, so I believe if the Celtics add salary after the season but before the July moratorium, they won't be eligible for the repeater tax rate, although they would still be hard-capped.