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Your Minimum asking price for Rajon
« on: July 04, 2013, 02:37:05 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

Re: Your Minimum asking price for Rajon
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2013, 02:42:21 AM »

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To Utah for Trey Burke, their 2014 pick, and 2017.  I'd also like Gobert in return as another asset, but could live without him if it were a major sticking point, although seeing as they traded a mid-second for him, I don't think it should be.  (I'd obviously love someone like Kanter or Favors back, but I don't think that deal makes sense for Utah, so I won't expect it.)

Re: Your Minimum asking price for Rajon
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013, 02:44:34 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

Not a fan of Vucevic.  I'm pretty adamant about having a rim-protector.  Unless you have a guy like Ibaka at PF, I question how you build a good defense around a guy like Vucevic. 

Anyway, for your question... I wonder if Rondo and our 1st would be enough to pry the top pick in the draft.  Rondo is a big price to pay to move up ~6-8 spots in most drafts, but for a guy like Wiggins I think that's worth it. 

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Since its Rondo back to himself, pretty high.

Things Id want (not all of them, but some combination)
A great prospect or prospects. Talking Derrick Favors, Andre Drummond, etc
Taking back Gerald Wallace's contract
Unprotected draft pick in 2014 for a probable lotto team

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Re: Your Minimum asking price for Rajon
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2013, 02:49:12 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

I tend to agree with that, I would ask the moon too.
Now RR is the franchise carrier. And with more responsibilities coming he will have to show what is capable as a best player of the team and as a vet.
I believe he can make big numbers this year. Lots of triple double this season is what is worth on a rebuilding team. He also be a great mentor for the young players.
For all those facts, he's kind of irreplaceable right now.
Unless he doesn't want to be part of the rebuild, I don't think there is any offer that can be good for the franchise. RR brings an identity that is priceless, specially in Boston.

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2013, 02:51:01 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

Not a fan of Vucevic.  I'm pretty adamant about having a rim-protector.  Unless you have a guy like Ibaka at PF, I question how you build a good defense around a guy like Vucevic. 

Anyway, for your question... I wonder if Rondo and our 1st would be enough to pry the top pick in the draft.  Rondo is a big price to pay to move up ~6-8 spots in most drafts, but for a guy like Wiggins I think that's worth it.

If I had the #1 pick, I don't think I'd do that trade.  If Rondo had three years left on his deal, then sure, I would.  But if I got the #1 pick, I'm probably a terrible team (unless I got REALLY lucky), and one year of Rondo isn't going to make me trade it this year, because that's egg on my face for potentially 20 years if it doesn't work because Rondo walks as a free agent.

Maybe if the Celtics had #3, so instead of Wiggins I'm getting Rondo and Parker or Randle, I would do it, but then if I'm the Celtics, I don't think I make that offer.

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2013, 03:06:04 AM »

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Re: Your Minimum asking price for Rajon
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2013, 03:22:21 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

Not a fan of Vucevic.  I'm pretty adamant about having a rim-protector.  Unless you have a guy like Ibaka at PF, I question how you build a good defense around a guy like Vucevic. 

Anyway, for your question... I wonder if Rondo and our 1st would be enough to pry the top pick in the draft.  Rondo is a big price to pay to move up ~6-8 spots in most drafts, but for a guy like Wiggins I think that's worth it.

If I had the #1 pick, I don't think I'd do that trade.  If Rondo had three years left on his deal, then sure, I would.  But if I got the #1 pick, I'm probably a terrible team (unless I got REALLY lucky), and one year of Rondo isn't going to make me trade it this year, because that's egg on my face for potentially 20 years if it doesn't work because Rondo walks as a free agent.

Maybe if the Celtics had #3, so instead of Wiggins I'm getting Rondo and Parker or Randle, I would do it, but then if I'm the Celtics, I don't think I make that offer.

Agree with a lot of what you said.  I do think that another team giving up Wiggins for, say, Rondo and a pick in the 8-10 range would be dependent on their ability to sign Rondo to an extension.  If he signs, I think that's a hard deal to turn down - you lose Wiggins, but you gain an in-his-prime Rondo and another player with star-level potential. 

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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 04:05:10 AM »

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It's tough.  You gotta think about it in context.  Here's Bill Simmon's take:

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FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

You have to put it into context.  On the surface that sounds like a terrible idea.  Totally dumping Rondo for what amounts to a late 1st rounder in Larkin.  Yuck.  But it's more than that.  That trade is defensible.

Bass is a bad contract:  6.5 mil this year and 7 mil the year after that.

Wallace is a bad contract:  10 mil, 10 mil, 10 mil.

Lee is a bad contract:  5.5 mil, 5.5 mil, 5.5 mil

We don't even know when Rondo will be healthy... he's on the books for 12 mil, 13 mil.  Shoot, if he misses all next season he could be a sitting duck in 2014-15... we could end up loosing him for nothing, but I digress.

You do that trade and you are sending out Rondo (12 mil), Bass (6.5 mil), Lee (5.5 mil), Wallace (10 mil) ... total of 34 million.

You are taking back:  Larkin (1.5 mil), Carter (3 mil expiring),  Marion (9.3 mil expiring) ... total of about 14 million. 

Hidden benefits: 

#1 Doesn't that mean you're instantly getting a 20 million dollar trade exception?

#2 You'd lock up the tank.  No way that team finishes out of the bottom 6.  Same rationalization why the veto'd Hornets trade made sense... why lock up your team with garbage Scola/Odom/martin salary on a likely 38 win team when you can bottom out and have a shot at a lotto pick (they used on Anthony Davis).  Smart move by Hornets ownership to have vetoed that deal.

#3 You'd have buttloads of cap space next year.  I mean you can make a play at LeBron in free agency (which is unrealistic), but you could also use that cap space in the same way the THunder did... you take on bad contracts and pick up draft picks in the process.  You basically rent out cap space. 

Flexibility is the name of the game.  Even a trade like that ... which seems "awful" at first glance has some serious benefits if a smart GM like Ainge is at the helm.

Personally any combo of young talent, cap space and/or 1st rounder(s) works for me.

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 04:21:49 AM »

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 This after Rondo is officially back to his old self, however long that takes. For the sake of this argument will say that by half way through this season he's right there Avg about 12.0ppg and 10.0apg.

 I would want a high lottery pick this year. So I might do something like this, Rondo to Orlando for Afflalo, Vucevic and there 2014 pick. It's a lot but I would never settle on any Rondo deal.

Not a fan of Vucevic.  I'm pretty adamant about having a rim-protector.  Unless you have a guy like Ibaka at PF, I question how you build a good defense around a guy like Vucevic. 

Anyway, for your question... I wonder if Rondo and our 1st would be enough to pry the top pick in the draft.  Rondo is a big price to pay to move up ~6-8 spots in most drafts, but for a guy like Wiggins I think that's worth it.

If I had the #1 pick, I don't think I'd do that trade.  If Rondo had three years left on his deal, then sure, I would.  But if I got the #1 pick, I'm probably a terrible team (unless I got REALLY lucky), and one year of Rondo isn't going to make me trade it this year, because that's egg on my face for potentially 20 years if it doesn't work because Rondo walks as a free agent.

Maybe if the Celtics had #3, so instead of Wiggins I'm getting Rondo and Parker or Randle, I would do it, but then if I'm the Celtics, I don't think I make that offer.

Agree with a lot of what you said.  I do think that another team giving up Wiggins for, say, Rondo and a pick in the 8-10 range would be dependent on their ability to sign Rondo to an extension.  If he signs, I think that's a hard deal to turn down - you lose Wiggins, but you gain an in-his-prime Rondo and another player with star-level potential.

The new CBA really prevents Rondo from signing an extension at his value.  An extend-and-trade deal could only give him about $13.5 million in the first year of his extension, and only add one extra year to his deal if he were traded on draft night, or two if he were traded next July.  Compare that to the $17 mil or so that max deal would be worth in year 1 if he hits free agency, and it makes no sense for Rondo to agree to anything early.

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I want to keep him.   But a star at minimum ( not a superstar) and 2 firsts.

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2013, 06:58:01 AM »

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I want to keep him.   But a star at minimum ( not a superstar) and 2 firsts.

 I need names though man, names. What do you got.

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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2013, 08:06:26 AM »

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If we are keeping AB at our point we need a shooter and a point forward.

I would trade RR and CHumphries or Wallace and some pieces to the Jazz for Haywood ( great fit with Brad Stevens) and Paul Milsap in a S&T.  In this scenario we would have to give them a first rounder.  Maybe Haywood and Mohammed and some scraps.

I like RR, personally, I would not trade him.