Do Celtics fans want Rondo traded?

[bobbyv]

no. nope. no way Jose.

Rondo's the main asset we have and the type of player we'd want to acquire while rebuilding.

Just because he is our best asset doesn't mean we are required to keep him. We didn't get back fair value for Pierce/KG either. We took two steps back to make a giant leap forward (eventually).

CP3 has never been to a finals. Nash hasn't either. Kidd never led his team to a championship. Neither has Payton nor Stockton nor Kevin Johnson.

Unless you are talking about 6'10" Magic Johnson, you don't build around a PG.

Contrary to what some believe on here, Rondo was always a complimentary piece throughout our championship window.

Your point is? Nothing you've said here means we need to trade Rondo. If anything, he'll be a solid third option on a championship contender.

[GreenEnvy]

no. nope. no way Jose.

Rondo's the main asset we have and the type of player we'd want to acquire while rebuilding.

Just because he is our best asset doesn't mean we are required to keep him. We didn't get back fair value for Pierce/KG either. We took two steps back to make a giant leap forward (eventually).

CP3 has never been to a finals. Nash hasn't either. Kidd never led his team to a championship. Neither has Payton nor Stockton nor Kevin Johnson.

Unless you are talking about 6'10" Magic Johnson, you don't build around a PG.

Contrary to what some believe on here, Rondo was always a complimentary piece throughout our championship window.

The question in the topic was "Do Celtics fans want Rondo traded?" .  I stand by my answer.  He's the type of player we want to have.

As for would I trade him if a great deal came along, sure, for the right deal.  what we got for PP and KG is irrelevant and a poor comparison as well.  They were 2 players well past their prime who we'd keep out of sentiment.  Rondo is an all-star, top PG coming into his prime. 

Throw in the fact there's a helluva a lot of players in ALL positions that haven't won a title either.  Don't throw out PGs as the only type of player that can't win a title.  I don't see a ring on DH's fingers even though he's the top Center in the game.  How many rings does Durant have?  I can throw out even more examples than you can of great non-PGs that never won a title.

I wasn't comparing any trades, just stating that Ainge clearly made this team worse with a goal in mind. Trading rondo, even at subpar value, would support that goal. Had he moved KG for Jordan and Pierce for a S&T, I would understand the rebuild. This is not a rebuild. This is a blow up. Rondo doesn't fit in a blow up.

And sure you can find players at any position that haven't won, but not more than PG. Those aforementioned PG's are amongst the best ever and have nothing to show for it. Shaq, Hakeem, KG, Duncan, Dirk, LeBron, Pippen, Jordan, Kobe are all all-time greats that have gotten the job done. That's the difference between a great PG and a great SG/SF/PF/C, hence why Magic is the only PG in the top 10, and maybe the only one in the top 20-25.

PG's don't deliver championships, regardless of how good they are. The same cannot be said about every other position.

[GreenEnvy]

no. nope. no way Jose.

Rondo's the main asset we have and the type of player we'd want to acquire while rebuilding.

Just because he is our best asset doesn't mean we are required to keep him. We didn't get back fair value for Pierce/KG either. We took two steps back to make a giant leap forward (eventually).

CP3 has never been to a finals. Nash hasn't either. Kidd never led his team to a championship. Neither has Payton nor Stockton nor Kevin Johnson.

Unless you are talking about 6'10" Magic Johnson, you don't build around a PG.

Contrary to what some believe on here, Rondo was always a complimentary piece throughout our championship window.

Your point is? Nothing you've said here means we need to trade Rondo. If anything, he'll be a solid third option on a championship contender.

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

[rondoallaturca]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

[lightspeed5]

no. nope. no way Jose.

Rondo's the main asset we have and the type of player we'd want to acquire while rebuilding.

Just because he is our best asset doesn't mean we are required to keep him. We didn't get back fair value for Pierce/KG either. We took two steps back to make a giant leap forward (eventually).

CP3 has never been to a finals. Nash hasn't either. Kidd never led his team to a championship. Neither has Payton nor Stockton nor Kevin Johnson.

Unless you are talking about 6'10" Magic Johnson, you don't build around a PG.

Contrary to what some believe on here, Rondo was always a complimentary piece throughout our championship window.

Your point is? Nothing you've said here means we need to trade Rondo. If anything, he'll be a solid third option on a championship contender.

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

the best player in every playoff series was rondo, it wasnt his fault we didnt win another banner

[GreenEnvy]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

Why am I a "Rondo hater," because I believe our franchise would now be better off without him? Have you seen our roster? We need major help. And we are NOT getting it through free agency.

[MaxAMillion]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

Why am I a "Rondo hater," because I believe our franchise would now be better off without him? Have you seen our roster? We need major help. And we are NOT getting it through free agency.

We can just watch Stevens out think everyone...that should work.

[Kiorrik]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

Why am I a "Rondo hater," because I believe our franchise would now be better off without him? Have you seen our roster? We need major help. And we are NOT getting it through free agency.

1) He's not saying you're a Rondo hater.
2) He's not reacting to your comment about being better off without him.
3) He's not saying we are getting it through free agency.

He's saying that No other team thinks he's as good as we believe is nothing but an assumption often made by people who dislike Rondo.

[GreenEnvy]

no. nope. no way Jose.

Rondo's the main asset we have and the type of player we'd want to acquire while rebuilding.

Just because he is our best asset doesn't mean we are required to keep him. We didn't get back fair value for Pierce/KG either. We took two steps back to make a giant leap forward (eventually).

CP3 has never been to a finals. Nash hasn't either. Kidd never led his team to a championship. Neither has Payton nor Stockton nor Kevin Johnson.

Unless you are talking about 6'10" Magic Johnson, you don't build around a PG.

Contrary to what some believe on here, Rondo was always a complimentary piece throughout our championship window.

Your point is? Nothing you've said here means we need to trade Rondo. If anything, he'll be a solid third option on a championship contender.

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

the best player in every playoff series was rondo, it wasnt his fault we didnt win another banner

So you simply think we weren't good enough from 2010-2012 (not going to count 2009 or 2013 because of KG/Rondo injuries)?

If you think we were a good enough team, and you think he has always been our best player, what's that say about him?

If you think we weren't a strong enough team, when and how do you think we can put a better one around Rondo within the next 5 years?

[GreenEnvy]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

Why am I a "Rondo hater," because I believe our franchise would now be better off without him? Have you seen our roster? We need major help. And we are NOT getting it through free agency.

1) He's not saying you're a Rondo hater.
2) He's not reacting to your comment about being better off without him.
3) He's not saying we are getting it through free agency.

He's saying that No other team thinks he's as good as we believe is nothing but an assumption often made by people who dislike Rondo.

If just some of the reports over the years are true, from the clashes with Doc, to the rift with Rat, to Ainge dangling him... You really think Ainge hasn't been shopping him over the years? And you really don't think he would have pulled the trigger on something remotely close to equal value?

LOL at us (me included) dreaming about getting CP3 or Curry for him.


I live in NYC and talk with a lot of fans of different teams, and very few think Rondo is nearly as good as I do, which is less than most here.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-rajon-rondo-most-overrated-player-boston-celtics-165700285.html

[Celtics/Run]

He couldn't help a team with two HoF'ers win another championship (he had little to do with the '08 Banner), but he can LEAD a team to one? So long as we have him, we probably won't bring in a better player.

So you want to keep our potentially third best player and risk losing out on a real franchise player?

The reason we can't get value for Rondo is because we overvalue him. No other team thinks he's as good as we believe.

He can only ruin our tank.

Assumption #97412 thrown out by Rondo haters to prove why Rondo shouldn't be in our future plans.

Why am I a "Rondo hater," because I believe our franchise would now be better off without him? Have you seen our roster? We need major help. And we are NOT getting it through free agency.

1) He's not saying you're a Rondo hater.
2) He's not reacting to your comment about being better off without him.
3) He's not saying we are getting it through free agency.

He's saying that No other team thinks he's as good as we believe is nothing but an assumption often made by people who dislike Rondo.

If just some of the reports over the years are true, from the clashes with Doc, to the rift with Rat, to Ainge dangling him... You really think Ainge hasn't been shopping him over the years? And you really don't think he would have pulled the trigger on something remotely close to equal value?
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LOL at us (me included) dreaming about getting CP3 or Curry for him.


I live in NYC and talk with a lot of fans of different teams, and very few think Rondo is nearly as good as I do, which is less than most here.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-rajon-rondo-most-overrated-player-boston-celtics-165700285.html

According to that article he is overrated but can play against anyone in the world but Rondo is still overrated......He can lift the skill of his teammates but...Rondo is still overrated.... He comes up big in big moments but once again Rondo is still overrated. Just because his effort isn't there against scrub teams......

[Juneauz]

Only the insane ones 

[EJPLAYA]

I'd like to argue against the point that Rondo is actually an elite passer. I think he is a solid passer, however I think many of his assists came not from his being so elite making some brilliant pass, rather giving the ball to PP and KG. If any of us could throw the ball to those two we'd average 8+ assists per game. Both knock down perimeter jumpers. Bass and a few others give him one or two assists a game doing the same for that matter. He isn't consistently coming up with great "thread the needle passes". He is often just swinging the ball.

Before everyone jumps on board, I am not saying the guy isn't a good passer. Just that he isn't in my definition "elite". Steve Nash is elite. John Stockton was elite. Magic was elite. Rondo is just solid. The only thing I think he is elite at is his rebounding. For a point guard there are few that are at his level.

As far as the question goes. Yes please. Bad fit with a rebuilding team and a young coach. Get what you can for him so it doesn't become a problem.

I'd love to see you average 8 assists in the NBA. 

I bet you would. If I had PP and KG on my squad I promise you that wouldn't be that tough of a thing to do. And since you know what my point was, you could take most starters at PG in the NBA and they wouldn't have a tough time averaging that filling in for Rondo with those two guys in the lineup. Doesn't take an amazing passer to swing the ball.

[BASS_THUMPER]

got rid of everyone else..why not?

[ozman]

I'd like to argue against the point that Rondo is actually an elite passer. I think he is a solid passer, however I think many of his assists came not from his being so elite making some brilliant pass, rather giving the ball to PP and KG. If any of us could throw the ball to those two we'd average 8+ assists per game. Both knock down perimeter jumpers. Bass and a few others give him one or two assists a game doing the same for that matter. He isn't consistently coming up with great "thread the needle passes". He is often just swinging the ball.

Before everyone jumps on board, I am not saying the guy isn't a good passer. Just that he isn't in my definition "elite". Steve Nash is elite. John Stockton was elite. Magic was elite. Rondo is just solid. The only thing I think he is elite at is his rebounding. For a point guard there are few that are at his level.

As far as the question goes. Yes please. Bad fit with a rebuilding team and a young coach. Get what you can for him so it doesn't become a problem.

I'd love to see you average 8 assists in the NBA. 

I bet you would. If I had PP and KG on my squad I promise you that wouldn't be that tough of a thing to do. And since you know what my point was, you could take most starters at PG in the NBA and they wouldn't have a tough time averaging that filling in for Rondo with those two guys in the lineup. Doesn't take an amazing passer to swing the ball.

there is so much wrong with this statement. seriously have u even watched a celtics game recently? or any nba game for that matter? if this was true then Avery Bradley would have averaged 10+ assists a game, because he can just pass the ball to kg and Paul. Terrance Williams could do the same, gabe pruit could have averaged 11 assists if he was on the floor with ray Paul and kg.

your comment completely undervalues not just rondo but every point guard, infact every proffesional athlete.. you can watch any game or rondos this past season and you will see manyimpressive lead passes or wrap around passes.