Marc Stein: "hearing rumblings Celtics looking to act quickly on Rondo trade"

[cltc5]

If Rondo doesn't want to be part of rebuild, which I dont blame him, then Lets get what we can outta him.

[Boris Badenov]

Rondo, Humphries

for

Gordon, Thomas, Portland 1st (top 12 prot. next year), Detroit 1st (top 8 protected next year)


Boston may need to toss in a little more value (i.e. future 1st, Bradley, sullinger, or etc.), but I think that is a reasonable trade at this point for both teams. 

It would have to become a part of the Brooklyn trade so Humphries could be traded with someone else.

This is the Cats? Not sure about these exact terms, but I'll continue to state as I have that they make a ton of sense as a Rondo trade partner.

Ainge just fleeced one awful GM / organization. Finish the job with another.

I wonder whether Danny's thinking is affected by seeing that Holiday just fetched someone who was slated to go #1 (albeit in a bad draft) and a top-5 protected pick next year.

Rondo is worth at least as much, even considering his injury IMO.

For the record I still prefer holding on to him, with a cautious approach to bringing him back next year.

[Celtics18]

Oh my Gosh!! These guys are always right!! 

I'm guessing Marc Stein probably read those rumblings here on CelticsBlog. 

[mqtcelticsfan]

Rondo, Humphries

for

Gordon, Thomas, Portland 1st (top 12 prot. next year), Detroit 1st (top 8 protected next year)


Boston may need to toss in a little more value (i.e. future 1st, Bradley, sullinger, or etc.), but I think that is a reasonable trade at this point for both teams. 

It would have to become a part of the Brooklyn trade so Humphries could be traded with someone else.

This is the Cats? Not sure about these exact terms, but I'll continue to state as I have that they make a ton of sense as a Rondo trade partner.

Ainge just fleeced one awful GM / organization. Finish the job with another.

I wonder whether Danny's thinking is affected by seeing that Holiday just fetched someone who was slated to go #1 (albeit in a bad draft) and a top-5 protected pick next year.

Rondo is worth at least as much, even considering his injury IMO.

For the record I still prefer holding on to him, with a cautious approach to bringing him back next year.

I'd want to say yes, but this was a unique circumstance where the team just had a superfluous asset in Noel and a pressing need, and simply panicked. Noel and a 2014 pick with that strict of protection was worth more than Jrue.

[Quetzalcoatl]

If Rondo goes, what are people's sigs going to be?  99% of them are Pierce, Rondo, KG or Doc related.  I am thinking a Die Hard 4 one with Danny superimposed over Justin Long and Wyc over Bruce Willis with some kind of fire sale caption.  Or a Kelly Olynyk / Karen O one with Yeah Yeah Yeah! written on the back.

[ssspence]

Rondo, Humphries

for

Gordon, Thomas, Portland 1st (top 12 prot. next year), Detroit 1st (top 8 protected next year)


Boston may need to toss in a little more value (i.e. future 1st, Bradley, sullinger, or etc.), but I think that is a reasonable trade at this point for both teams. 

It would have to become a part of the Brooklyn trade so Humphries could be traded with someone else.

This is the Cats? Not sure about these exact terms, but I'll continue to state as I have that they make a ton of sense as a Rondo trade partner.

Ainge just fleeced one awful GM / organization. Finish the job with another.

I wonder whether Danny's thinking is affected by seeing that Holiday just fetched someone who was slated to go #1 (albeit in a bad draft) and a top-5 protected pick next year.

Rondo is worth at least as much, even considering his injury IMO.

For the record I still prefer holding on to him, with a cautious approach to bringing him back next year.

Better player? Probably Rondo. More rounded player? Holliday? Less baggage (injury, coachability, age)? Certainly Holliday.

So if we call it a wash, basically we're saying Rondo is worth two 6-10 picks (at best). I still think the Cs would be lucky to get that right now.

[Finkelskyhook]

If Rondo plays a full season...There is no way they don't go to the playoffs.  If Danny hands him the keys with Green, Wallace, Sully, Brooks, Humphries, and Bradley...They're going to win enough games to be a 7-8 seed.

[Chris]

If Rondo plays a full season...There is no way they don't go to the playoffs.  If Danny hands him the keys with Green, Wallace, Sully, Brooks, Humphries, and Bradley...They're going to win enough games to be a 7-8 seed.

Agreed.  It can't be understated how bad the East is, other than the top couple teams.  And, if you add a couple decent players to balance out the roster a bit more, this team could be a 4th or 5th seed. 

[vinnie]

Can't say I'm too surprised but this whole strip down is making me sick to my stomach and Rondo is a guy that I want to keep around,

This is the part I just don't get about the NBA.  What do you tell the people who buy the tickets?  3 years of crappy non-entertaining basketball lie ahead but give us your money anyway and be patient?

You pull a page out of the Obama playbook and sell them on hope.

Lower ticket sales will hurt this season, but if they get a guy who they can market as the next Paul Pierce next season, that could translate into 10+ years of nice sales.

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Best guess -- they are looking at two years of pretty bad attendance. Then it all depends on whether Danny's high-risk/high-reward moves pay off.

[Moranis]

If Rondo plays a full season...There is no way they don't go to the playoffs.  If Danny hands him the keys with Green, Wallace, Sully, Brooks, Humphries, and Bradley...They're going to win enough games to be a 7-8 seed.

When Rondo got hurt they were the 8th seed last year and that is with Pierce and Garnett on the roster.  I would imagine they probably still make it in as the 7th or 8th seed with Rondo, but I certainly wouldn't call it a given especially if Wall in Washington end to the season wasn't a fluke, Detroit's big guys take a step up, Milwaukee re-signs their guys, etc.

And with that being the case, how does it make sense to hang on to Rondo.  Just silly.

[blink]

I think this one is just another rumor that doesn't make any sense.  You don't get good value for an injured player.  DA is the king of getting value.  Trading  Rondo now isn't happening right now for those reasons alone.

We aren't trading our injured all star point guard while he is injured for pennies on the dollar.

[Moranis]

Rondo, Humphries

for

Gordon, Thomas, Portland 1st (top 12 prot. next year), Detroit 1st (top 8 protected next year)


Boston may need to toss in a little more value (i.e. future 1st, Bradley, sullinger, or etc.), but I think that is a reasonable trade at this point for both teams. 

It would have to become a part of the Brooklyn trade so Humphries could be traded with someone else.

This is the Cats? Not sure about these exact terms, but I'll continue to state as I have that they make a ton of sense as a Rondo trade partner.

Ainge just fleeced one awful GM / organization. Finish the job with another.

I wonder whether Danny's thinking is affected by seeing that Holiday just fetched someone who was slated to go #1 (albeit in a bad draft) and a top-5 protected pick next year.

Rondo is worth at least as much, even considering his injury IMO.

For the record I still prefer holding on to him, with a cautious approach to bringing him back next year.

Better player? Probably Rondo. More rounded player? Holliday? Less baggage (injury, coachability, age)? Certainly Holliday.

So if we call it a wash, basically we're saying Rondo is worth two 6-10 picks (at best). I still think the Cs would be lucky to get that right now.

exactly.  Two likely lottery picks for Rondo is a pretty good value trade right now. 

And Holiday probably is a better trade asset than Rondo at the moment.  He is a lot younger, signed to a much longer and cheaper contract, is a much more well rounded player, and is not coming off a major injury.  And Holiday only got a #6 pick and a top 5 protected pick next year.  Getting two protected picks for Rondo that aren't from the team Rondo is on, is pretty solid value, even if you have to take Thomas on in the process (and my thought with Thomas is quite simply, Boston has no cap space during the life of his contract and likely won't so having him around for trade when he is expiring won't hurt anything and if he by some chance lives up to the talent, you might get something for him).

[JBcat]

i would trade Rondo but only if we can get something really good in return. Trading Rondo just to gather assets wouldn't make much sense to me. Rondo is the caliber of player you'd spend these "assets" on.

It would make sense if you don't really love Rondo and want to go full in on tanking for next years draft.

Not saying that's how I feel.  I love Rondo.  I'm torn up right now about all this.

if you want to go on "full tank mode", i think you can still accomplish it and keep Rondo by having him come back late in the season, or on limited minutes, or just have very questionable substitution patterns. If he gets a minor injury, the team could take precaution and shut him down. i do recognize the concern about him negatively impacting the culture by his moodiness though.

We kind of did that with Pierce for the 06-07 season.  We could be very cautious and let Sully, and Rondo return say in January or February next season.   By then we should have plenty of games lost with no chance at all of making the playoffs. 

[RJ87]

I think this one is just another rumor that doesn't make any sense.  You don't get good value for an injured player.  DA is the king of getting value.  Trading  Rondo now isn't happening right now for those reasons alone.

We aren't trading our injured all star point guard while he is injured for pennies on the dollar.

This.

If we've learned anything from Ainge, he's going to squeeze as much value out if a piece as he can. Right now, we're not going to get maximum value for Rondo.

My guess, Rondo and Green both stay -at least through next season. Rondo has to show he's healthy and how adapts no KG and Pierce, Jeff has to prove the end of last season wasn't a fluke. 

[LarBrd33]

lol... this shouldn't be surprising for anyone.  Right around the time we heard our first "doc might coach the clippers" rumor, it was clear Boston was in full-blown tank mode (the right move)...  Rondo isn't conducive to a tank job.  He's good enough to play us out of the lotto but not good enough to lead a champion. 

I really can't imagine anyone would be interested in trading for a busted PG with a torn ACL, though.   That's interesting.  Not sure what we could get for him... but it's possible he has more trade value now while people still think he's a "playoff superstar" than next season when he comes back hobbling with a torn ACL on a dreadful Celtic team.  So Maybe you pull the trigger on whatever you can get... It would be nice to have another 2014 lotto pick, but I can't see it happening.