Schroeder or Muhammad?

[ManUp]

Also, isn't Shabazz actually thirty five? 

At any rate, they'll probably both be gone before pick 16 anyway.

NBAdraft.net has him at 19 and DraftExpress has him at 18

we are in the radar for shabazz, and we need to draft him. he's the 2nd coming of paul pierce

Lets get one thing straight, if the "second coming" of Paul Pierce were in this draft he would be the consensus number one pick.

[boscel33]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

[lightspeed5]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

[Fafnir]

Muhammad is sliding to the mid-first round because his dad is an idiot

Soon to be felon is a more apt description based on the mortgage fraud charges, sounds like a con-man. Given how he's pushed his kids to be "star athletes" its a scary situation.

[PhoSita]

I'd gladly take Shabazz over some back up point guard from Germany.

[BleedGreen1989]

Muhammad is sliding to the mid-first round because his dad is an idiot

Soon to be felon is a more apt description based on the mortgage fraud charges, sounds like a con-man. Given how he's pushed his kids to be "star athletes" its a scary situation.

Yeah I heard a little tidbit that his dad named him Shabazz Muhammed because he thought it was very "marketable".

Sounds like Michael Jackson's dad lol

[lon3lytoaster]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

That's not a very strong argument at all. Schroeder can't average 4 APG so he's a bad PG? Come on. European stats and player development are a lot different. Rondo coming out of KU was considered a ball pounding guard and no one ever expected him to be anywhere near the top of the NBA's APG charts.

[Snakehead]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

You aren't acknowledging how Euro ball is different.  PGs aren't allowed to dominate the ball like in the NBA and make most of the passes. 

Care to go guess Rubio's assist numbers in Europe the year before he was drafted?

4.1 assists per game.

[MBunge]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

You aren't acknowledging how Euro ball is different.  PGs aren't allowed to dominate the ball like in the NBA and make most of the passes. 

Care to go guess Rubio's assist numbers in Europe the year before he was drafted?

4.1 assists per game.

You can't rack up assists when you're sitting on the bench, which is what Schroeder will be doing as soon as Rondo is healthy.  Frankly, given the big men and scoring 2 guards that will likely be available at #16, it would be foolish to draft someone who won't come in and start on a rebuilding Celtic squad.

Mike

[csfansince60s]

Love Schroeder, but if Muhammad is there, you gotta take him.

He has Tourette's, which is a very misunderstood condition. That's one of the reasons that he gets a bad rap re "immaturity".

His talent and fire are undeniable. He is a closer. He will be a bargain at 16 and  I would even try to move up a couple of slots to get him.

[MBunge]

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players.

And that thinking is why team's miss on players who go on to be very good in the league.  The 16th best player in college basketball 2012-13, even in a blah draft like this, has the potential to be a lot more than a back-up or a rotation guy in the NBA.

Just get the best freakin' player.

Mike

[Snakehead]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

You aren't acknowledging how Euro ball is different.  PGs aren't allowed to dominate the ball like in the NBA and make most of the passes. 

Care to go guess Rubio's assist numbers in Europe the year before he was drafted?

4.1 assists per game.

You can't rack up assists when you're sitting on the bench, which is what Schroeder will be doing as soon as Rondo is healthy.  Frankly, given the big men and scoring 2 guards that will likely be available at #16, it would be foolish to draft someone who won't come in and start on a rebuilding Celtic squad.

Mike

If you think we're getting a good starter at 16 right away, get ready for a surprise man.

Have we not seen the folly of having no backup PG finally come to roost this past year?  Yet so many of you refuse to draft a PG.  Rather baffling.

Yes lets keep playing Rondo so many minutes, especially coming off a major injury.  Seems foolproof!

Take the best available player.  That's it.  If Ainge thinks that's Muhammad fine.  But if it's Shroeder, he fills a NEED too.

[MBunge]

if schroader gets drafted, that means we're trading rondo eventually. its the wrong direction to take

It absolutely doesn't.  Why is this said?

We have no backup PG on this team.  Shroeder could be that.  There are similarities with Rondo, but here's the big difference: he can shoot.

If it is believed he is the best player, take him.  He no only fits a need then, but an asset.  Turns out you can have two long, athletic PGs on your team.  It's allowed.

Because you don't step into rebuilding mode by drafting a backup PG in the first round.

Yea this is just plain wrong.

If you get a solid back up PG with the #16 pick, good draft for you.

This. The middle of the draft is for drafting backups and rotation players. You can't really ask for anything better outside the lottery. And plus, when was the last time we actually had a backup PG? Rondo is the sole playmaker for this team and has been for a long time. He needs help.

My only point is, that if we are moving into rebuilding mode, then we can't be looking at backups.  If backups are what we're drafting at 16, then maybe we need to move up or out.

shabazz has potential to be a starter and a star.... schroader cant even average 4 APG.

You aren't acknowledging how Euro ball is different.  PGs aren't allowed to dominate the ball like in the NBA and make most of the passes. 

Care to go guess Rubio's assist numbers in Europe the year before he was drafted?

4.1 assists per game.

You can't rack up assists when you're sitting on the bench, which is what Schroeder will be doing as soon as Rondo is healthy.  Frankly, given the big men and scoring 2 guards that will likely be available at #16, it would be foolish to draft someone who won't come in and start on a rebuilding Celtic squad.

Mike

If you think we're getting a good starter at 16 right away, get ready for a surprise man.

Have we not seen the folly of having no backup PG finally come to roost this past year?  Yet so many of you refuse to draft a PG.  Rather baffling.

Yes lets keep playing Rondo so many minutes, especially coming off a major injury.  Seems foolproof!

Take the best available player.  That's it.  If Ainge thinks that's Muhammad fine.  But if it's Shroeder, he fills a NEED too.

A good starter for a title contender next season?  No.  Someone who could start for a title contender in 2 or three years?  Yes.

A decent back-up point PG is not that hard to get.  Ainge just needs to get over his fascination with undersized combo guards and Boston needs to run an offense that lets the back-up PG be a normal PG instead of putting the ball in someone else's hands while the back-up PG just stands in the corner waiting to shoot a three.

But if Ainge thinks Schroeder IS the best player available, by all means draft him.  There's nobody in this draft at any position that is worth chasing after.

Mike

[Snakehead]

A decent back-up point PG is not that hard to get.  Ainge just needs to get over his fascination with undersized combo guards and Boston needs to run an offense that lets the back-up PG be a normal PG instead of putting the ball in someone else's hands while the back-up PG just stands in the corner waiting to shoot a three.

See this is why he's a good solution though and a change from our previous issues.  The reason our backup PGs never played like PGs was because they weren't really PGs, or not that good of ones.  Shroeder has potential.  He is often compared to Rondo but as I said before, he can shoot threes, something that is often ignored.

I agree though, best available.  I just think Shroeder could be that guy.  We will see.

[kozlodoev]

You can't rack up assists when you're sitting on the bench, which is what Schroeder will be doing as soon as Rondo is healthy.  Frankly, given the big men and scoring 2 guards that will likely be available at #16, it would be foolish to draft someone who won't come in and start on a rebuilding Celtic squad.

I thought I remembered something about FIBA accounting for assists differently based on whether it was a pass towards the basket or just passing the ball around the perimeter, but I can't find this right now, so it may be bogus.

But I do think FIBA scorers are way more strict in applying assist rules (see page 42 of this document for instructions of how to score assists: http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/download.asp?file_id=554).