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Grantland on Bass
« on: June 22, 2013, 01:53:28 PM »

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The Heat paid Battier about 60 percent of what Boston paid Courtney Lee this season. Nick Young and Landry Fields each earned nearly seven times Neal’s salary. Bass earned significantly more this season than every big man who played in the Finals, save for Duncan and Bosh; could Boston have found 80 percent of Bass’s production without signing him to a three-year deal that will pay him nearly $7 million in 2014-15?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66331/why-the-heats-big-three-are-champions-and-the-nbas-star-system-works

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 02:06:43 PM »

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Yet none of them had to be straight up amnestied for 22 million like Gilbert Arenas. True Bass didn't have the greatest season but all this relativity is harsh.
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Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 02:25:24 PM »

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I thought he was a $6 million player, to over pay by a million is questionable. Would love to be able to dump him, he had a dreadful season put picked it up in the playoffs. Hopefully some GM will only remember that last part haha.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 02:42:10 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 03:13:43 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 03:29:24 PM »

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The Heat paid Battier about 60 percent of what Boston paid Courtney Lee this season. Nick Young and Landry Fields each earned nearly seven times Neal’s salary. Bass earned significantly more this season than every big man who played in the Finals, save for Duncan and Bosh; could Boston have found 80 percent of Bass’s production without signing him to a three-year deal that will pay him nearly $7 million in 2014-15?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66331/why-the-heats-big-three-are-champions-and-the-nbas-star-system-works

  Did you read the entire article? Even skimming through it gave me a headache. As for Battier/Lee, you have to compare their relative roles. Put Battier on a lesser team where his role increases and you'll see more warts in his game. Put Lee on the Heat with LeBron and he'll look better.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2013, 03:33:14 PM »

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Bass was a top-2 player, arguably our BEST player, for the Playoffs and our last twenty games. He's totally worth it... we just need to let him explode again! :)

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Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2013, 03:58:02 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.  Lee, even if he offered a slightly different game than Terry and Bradley, played the same position.  Maybe the proper move would have been signing Lee to a 4-year deal with the mid-level and passing on Terry -- I don't really know.  I just think if I weren't looking through green goggles, like I was last summer, that I wouldn't have liked the Lee signing, since it meant you were wasting either the $5 million committed to Terry a month earlier, or the $5 million and other assets committed to Lee.  Neither of them could be an effective backup for Rondo, which was known at the time, and became pretty apparent once Rondo went down.  Nor had Bradley shown the ability to backup Rondo either.

I know we were close to beating the Heat the year before, but our regular season was nothing like the Spurs, either last year or this year.  And while Lee may have been our version of Danny Green, we paid him $1.5 mil more per season.  Duncan gets paid $2 mil less than Garnett.  Diaw gets $1.5 mil less than Bass.  They were able to release Jackson, who was paid over $10 mil, because they didn't like his attitude, and still stay under the luxury tax.  This year they're not going to have any trouble adding one more piece at the full mid-level, and still be under the luxury tax, while, assuming no major trades, we're going to only have the tax-payer mid-level, be over the luxury tax, and have issues avoiding the repeater tax rate the following off-season.  Maybe a healthy Rondo makes us better, but a healthy Rondo had us around .500 for the first half of the season, so I'm not convinced.

Anyway, the problem is that most of our players are a little overpaid.  Not extremely overpaid, but enough to matter in the aggregate, and we're feeling that this offseason.  We had an unsuccessful season, and have little maneuverability to make any improvements, unless it's a wholesale upheaval of the roster.  We're locked into the luxury tax, also without major upheaval, which means that the following two offseasons there will probably be greater imperative to stay under the luxury tax.  Even with Pierce coming off the books in 2014, it will be interesting to see if we can afford to keep Bradley.  And there will still be no room for someone at the mid-level.

The Spurs do not have this problem, so if we tried to emulate them, we did a bad job.  Blame Lee, Terry, or Bass, but one of those contracts put us behind the 8-ball.  Considering he was signed last and his contract is a year longer, I'm blaming Lee.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 04:01:38 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.

  They didn't have Bradley, he was out indefinitely with double shoulder surgery.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 04:04:56 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.

  They didn't have Bradley, he was out indefinitely with double shoulder surgery.

Right, but he was due back in the middle of the year, and clearly made it back right around on schedule, if not a couple weeks later than he could have. The was no reason to sign someone to a 4-year deal for a half-season need.  That's what the minimum salary is for, and Leandro Barbosa proved that on opening night.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 04:09:02 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.  Lee, even if he offered a slightly different game than Terry and Bradley, played the same position.  Maybe the proper move would have been signing Lee to a 4-year deal with the mid-level and passing on Terry -- I don't really know.  I just think if I weren't looking through green goggles, like I was last summer, that I wouldn't have liked the Lee signing, since it meant you were wasting either the $5 million committed to Terry a month earlier, or the $5 million and other assets committed to Lee.  Neither of them could be an effective backup for Rondo, which was known at the time, and became pretty apparent once Rondo went down.  Nor had Bradley shown the ability to backup Rondo either.

I know we were close to beating the Heat the year before, but our regular season was nothing like the Spurs, either last year or this year.  And while Lee may have been our version of Danny Green, we paid him $1.5 mil more per season.  Duncan gets paid $2 mil less than Garnett.  Diaw gets $1.5 mil less than Bass.  They were able to release Jackson, who was paid over $10 mil, because they didn't like his attitude, and still stay under the luxury tax.  This year they're not going to have any trouble adding one more piece at the full mid-level, and still be under the luxury tax, while, assuming no major trades, we're going to only have the tax-payer mid-level, be over the luxury tax, and have issues avoiding the repeater tax rate the following off-season.  Maybe a healthy Rondo makes us better, but a healthy Rondo had us around .500 for the first half of the season, so I'm not convinced.

Anyway, the problem is that most of our players are a little overpaid.  Not extremely overpaid, but enough to matter in the aggregate, and we're feeling that this offseason.  We had an unsuccessful season, and have little maneuverability to make any improvements, unless it's a wholesale upheaval of the roster.  We're locked into the luxury tax, also without major upheaval, which means that the following two offseasons there will probably be greater imperative to stay under the luxury tax.  Even with Pierce coming off the books in 2014, it will be interesting to see if we can afford to keep Bradley.  And there will still be no room for someone at the mid-level.

The Spurs do not have this problem, so if we tried to emulate them, we did a bad job.  Blame Lee, Terry, or Bass, but one of those contracts put us behind the 8-ball.  Considering he was signed last and his contract is a year longer, I'm blaming Lee.

I agree with the basic premise here that we signed one too many shooting guards and that terry, bass, lee are all just slightly overpaid. 

I guess at the time it wasn't clear how soon exactly or how well AB would return to form.  Either way we had Rondo as a PG, and then AB, Jet, CL, AB in a log jam at the 2.  The log jam really hampered the team.  Too few minutes spread out among to many and no one got a good start to the season.  Then throw in the two injuries to RR and AB and Lee really didn't step up like everyone expected him to.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 04:10:59 PM »

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The Heat paid Battier about 60 percent of what Boston paid Courtney Lee this season. Nick Young and Landry Fields each earned nearly seven times Neal’s salary. Bass earned significantly more this season than every big man who played in the Finals, save for Duncan and Bosh; could Boston have found 80 percent of Bass’s production without signing him to a three-year deal that will pay him nearly $7 million in 2014-15?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66331/why-the-heats-big-three-are-champions-and-the-nbas-star-system-works
Yeah, we could have had 80% of the production he gave us in a year when he performed at 80% of expectations. Hindsight is 20/20 and this is a pretty pointless line of conjecture, too.
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Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2013, 04:14:42 PM »

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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.  Lee, even if he offered a slightly different game than Terry and Bradley, played the same position.  Maybe the proper move would have been signing Lee to a 4-year deal with the mid-level and passing on Terry -- I don't really know.  I just think if I weren't looking through green goggles, like I was last summer, that I wouldn't have liked the Lee signing, since it meant you were wasting either the $5 million committed to Terry a month earlier, or the $5 million and other assets committed to Lee.  Neither of them could be an effective backup for Rondo, which was known at the time, and became pretty apparent once Rondo went down.  Nor had Bradley shown the ability to backup Rondo either.

I know we were close to beating the Heat the year before, but our regular season was nothing like the Spurs, either last year or this year.  And while Lee may have been our version of Danny Green, we paid him $1.5 mil more per season.  Duncan gets paid $2 mil less than Garnett.  Diaw gets $1.5 mil less than Bass.  They were able to release Jackson, who was paid over $10 mil, because they didn't like his attitude, and still stay under the luxury tax.  This year they're not going to have any trouble adding one more piece at the full mid-level, and still be under the luxury tax, while, assuming no major trades, we're going to only have the tax-payer mid-level, be over the luxury tax, and have issues avoiding the repeater tax rate the following off-season.  Maybe a healthy Rondo makes us better, but a healthy Rondo had us around .500 for the first half of the season, so I'm not convinced.

Anyway, the problem is that most of our players are a little overpaid.  Not extremely overpaid, but enough to matter in the aggregate, and we're feeling that this offseason.  We had an unsuccessful season, and have little maneuverability to make any improvements, unless it's a wholesale upheaval of the roster.  We're locked into the luxury tax, also without major upheaval, which means that the following two offseasons there will probably be greater imperative to stay under the luxury tax.  Even with Pierce coming off the books in 2014, it will be interesting to see if we can afford to keep Bradley.  And there will still be no room for someone at the mid-level.

The Spurs do not have this problem, so if we tried to emulate them, we did a bad job.  Blame Lee, Terry, or Bass, but one of those contracts put us behind the 8-ball.  Considering he was signed last and his contract is a year longer, I'm blaming Lee.

I agree with the basic premise here that we signed one too many shooting guards and that terry, bass, lee are all just slightly overpaid. 

I guess at the time it wasn't clear how soon exactly or how well AB would return to form.  Either way we had Rondo as a PG, and then AB, Jet, CL, AB in a log jam at the 2.  The log jam really hampered the team.  Too few minutes spread out among to many and no one got a good start to the season.  Then throw in the two injuries to RR and AB and Lee really didn't step up like everyone expected him to.

Definitely signed one guard too many.

There weren't enough minutes to go around for all four of Rondo, Bradley, Terry and Lee.

Ainge should have just signed a minimum contract SG (instead of C.Lee) who is happy as a third string player that can stand in as a defensive stopper while Bradley recovered from his injury. Someone like Rodney Carney or Keith Bogans.

Re: Grantland on Bass
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2013, 04:18:22 PM »

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Bass, Terry and Lee all seem to have pretty bad contracts at this point.  I think it would be difficult to shed any of them.

Re: Grantland on Bass
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Is Bass overpaid. Arguably, although he's very near the average NBA salary, so I'm not sure.

But Bass had leverage.  The Celtics options were Bass or someone for the NBA minimum.  And Bass had played very very well the prior season, so he was going to get more than the minimum from someone.

The only signing from last offseason that bothers me with hindsight is Courtney Lee.  He was completely disappointing, and we sent off Moore and 3 second rounders, including #32, which we'd love to get back, for him.  The Celtics would have been better off keeping Moore and signing someone else for the minimum to help fill the void while Bradley was out, rather than signing Lee to a four-year deal.  While I was excited about it at the time, I really shouldn't have been, as Danny overreacted to losing Ray and having Bradley on the shelf for a two months.

It's really hard to say what we should have done last season. We were just coming off an ECF where we had two chances to go to the finals and we lost one of our main pieces. Signing Terry made a lot of sense at the time and Bass is a very decent playoff performer, as he plays hard half-court defense and can knock down the mid-range jumper. Guys like Lee, Green, Avery, and Sully were supposed to be the next generation working alongside the curren leaders.

Honestly, our team didn't look a whole lot different than San Antonio does now...and, frankly, the exact same result occurred to both of us - losing to the Heat in games 6 and 7. Theirs just happened to be in the finals.

It's easy to look back and second guess Danny's decisions, but the only real issue I had was the length of contracts for Terry and Bass...Lee was supposed to be a relatively key piece to the future.

I guess my argument about Lee is this: They already had signed Terry to a 3-year deal, and had Bradley.  Lee, even if he offered a slightly different game than Terry and Bradley, played the same position.  Maybe the proper move would have been signing Lee to a 4-year deal with the mid-level and passing on Terry -- I don't really know.  I just think if I weren't looking through green goggles, like I was last summer, that I wouldn't have liked the Lee signing, since it meant you were wasting either the $5 million committed to Terry a month earlier, or the $5 million and other assets committed to Lee.  Neither of them could be an effective backup for Rondo, which was known at the time, and became pretty apparent once Rondo went down.  Nor had Bradley shown the ability to backup Rondo either.

I know we were close to beating the Heat the year before, but our regular season was nothing like the Spurs, either last year or this year.  And while Lee may have been our version of Danny Green, we paid him $1.5 mil more per season.  Duncan gets paid $2 mil less than Garnett.  Diaw gets $1.5 mil less than Bass.  They were able to release Jackson, who was paid over $10 mil, because they didn't like his attitude, and still stay under the luxury tax.  This year they're not going to have any trouble adding one more piece at the full mid-level, and still be under the luxury tax, while, assuming no major trades, we're going to only have the tax-payer mid-level, be over the luxury tax, and have issues avoiding the repeater tax rate the following off-season.  Maybe a healthy Rondo makes us better, but a healthy Rondo had us around .500 for the first half of the season, so I'm not convinced.

Anyway, the problem is that most of our players are a little overpaid.  Not extremely overpaid, but enough to matter in the aggregate, and we're feeling that this offseason.  We had an unsuccessful season, and have little maneuverability to make any improvements, unless it's a wholesale upheaval of the roster.  We're locked into the luxury tax, also without major upheaval, which means that the following two offseasons there will probably be greater imperative to stay under the luxury tax.  Even with Pierce coming off the books in 2014, it will be interesting to see if we can afford to keep Bradley.  And there will still be no room for someone at the mid-level.

The Spurs do not have this problem, so if we tried to emulate them, we did a bad job.  Blame Lee, Terry, or Bass, but one of those contracts put us behind the 8-ball.  Considering he was signed last and his contract is a year longer, I'm blaming Lee.

I agree with the basic premise here that we signed one too many shooting guards and that terry, bass, lee are all just slightly overpaid. 

I guess at the time it wasn't clear how soon exactly or how well AB would return to form.  Either way we had Rondo as a PG, and then AB, Jet, CL, AB in a log jam at the 2.  The log jam really hampered the team.  Too few minutes spread out among to many and no one got a good start to the season.  Then throw in the two injuries to RR and AB and Lee really didn't step up like everyone expected him to.

Definitely signed one guard too many.

There weren't enough minutes to go around for all four of Rondo, Bradley, Terry and Lee.

Ainge should have just signed a minimum contract SG (instead of C.Lee) who is happy as a third string player that can stand in as a defensive stopper while Bradley recovered from his injury. Someone like Rodney Carney or Keith Bogans.

I think Barbosa came in just a little too late...he probably would have prevented the Lee signing, although I think most people were pretty psyched when they heard we were trying to figure out a way to get him here...I was definitely in the Mayo camp, but I'm not sure he would have made a huge difference this season either.

I do think, however, that all three contracts are movable - not necessarily at the same time, but Bass and Terry would provide something useful to a contending team. I know neither was stellar in the regular season, but they both stepped it up in the postseason, which is what it's all about. Lee is still young and has a lot of potential to improve. When the Cs were offering up either Lee or Terry, I was certainly hoping they would take Terry.