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I think LeBron James is now over Michael Jordan
« on: June 21, 2013, 04:10:01 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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Michael did not win until he got a marquee coach in Phil Jackson. LeBron has won with Erik Spoelstra.

That is cinches it for me. LeBron over MJ.
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I mean obviously that's nonsense.  Jordan won 6 titles and was dominant.  We have to see how the rest of LeBron's career pans out.

That said... compare their resumes at age 28.  Do it.  LeBron with his 4 MVPs, 4 titles appearances, 2 titles... it compares favorably.

If someone were to tell me they'd rather have 28 year old LeBron over 28 year old JOrdan... I wouldn't fault them for it.

Fwiw, Kobe's resume at age 28 was pretty darn impressive too... but he was carried by Shaq.  LeBron is carrying his sidekicks.

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LeBron is the best player of this era. Who knows how many more championships he can win. He's also ultra talented, maybe more talented then Jordan (basketball wise).

But with that said, 6 Finals, 6 wins, 6 Finals MVP's. That right there should kill the discussion if he's over Jordan or not.
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As others have said, that's a Big (capital B) jump to be making right now.

Also, Spolestra's not a bad coach. He redesigned the offense around his best player, and proved that his version of small-ball would win a championship. He successfully convinced LeBron to start at the four (which will always be a struggle when you've got a marquee player and you're asking him to readjust his game, the same thing happened with Woodson and 'Melo, and hasn't happened with, say, Durant), and kept everything going along in the Miami locker room between Wade, James, Bosh and the roleplayers.

That's a whole heck of a lot harder than it looks to us, who really only see the game, but personality management, overall philosophy, and justifying smart substitutions to a team made up of guys who were all, at one point in time, the alpha dog on the court, are is a huge part of what makes a good coach good.
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LeBron is the best player of this era. Who knows how many more championships he can win. He's also ultra talented, maybe more talented then Jordan (basketball wise).

But with that said, 6 Finals, 6 wins, 6 Finals MVP's. That right there should kill the discussion if he's over Jordan or not.

What's more impressive to you, Lebron going 2-2 in Finals appearances or Jordan going 2-0 in Finals appearance?

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Since when is 2 greater than 6. C'mon now. Mj will go down as the greatest player to ever play the game although he happens to be a prick off the court.

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You gotta be joking.

MJ won 6 championships with a retirement just in the middle. All teams the Bulls have beaten in those 6 Finals were better than this years' Pacers and Spurs and Lebron just won because Vogel and Pop made terrible moves in close games. Furthermore, no coach  would ever dare to order his players to leave Jordan open to shoot.

Lebron is GREAT, but not even close to Jordan (and, imho, some others as well).

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LeBron is the best player of this era. Who knows how many more championships he can win. He's also ultra talented, maybe more talented then Jordan (basketball wise).

But with that said, 6 Finals, 6 wins, 6 Finals MVP's. That right there should kill the discussion if he's over Jordan or not.

What's more impressive to you, Lebron going 2-2 in Finals appearances or Jordan going 2-0 in Finals appearance?

That's being a bit harsh. In Lebron's first finals appearance he was 22 and carried them there with the likes of Ilgauskas and Boobie Gibson and Ira Newble.

It's too early to say he's surpassed MJ. But at this point in his career, he compares pretty favorably to Jordan.

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LeBron is the best player of this era. Who knows how many more championships he can win. He's also ultra talented, maybe more talented then Jordan (basketball wise).

But with that said, 6 Finals, 6 wins, 6 Finals MVP's. That right there should kill the discussion if he's over Jordan or not.

What's more impressive to you, Lebron going 2-2 in Finals appearances or Jordan going 2-0 in Finals appearance?
For me, it is 2-2 over 2-0.
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Jordan could have had more titles at 28 if:

A. He did not go to college.
B. He cowardly teamed up with Barkley and Hakeem during   Free Agency.
D. All of the above.
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Michael did not win until he got a marquee coach in Phil Jackson. LeBron has won with Erik Spoelstra.

That is cinches it for me. LeBron over MJ.


I think you are on some serious drugs. Bron isn't even in the top 5 yet. Can we wait until his career has played out first??? Why does everyone want to shove Lebron down everyone's throat as the best ever when he isn't even done playing yet!!? that's disrespectful to guys like Jordan, Russell, Bird, Magic ect...

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Jordan could have had more titles at 28 if:

A. He did not go to college.
B. He cowardly teamed up with Barkley and Hakeem during   Free Agency.
D. All of the above.

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All teams the Bulls have beaten in those 6 Finals were better than this years' Pacers and Spurs and Lebron just won because Vogel and Pop made terrible moves in close games.

I dispute that the Spurs and Thunder are worse than the 90's Jazz teams.

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