Rumor: Paul Pierce to Cavs for 2nd round picks #31 & #33

[gpap]

Yeah, I really don't like this idea.

I know a trade exception would be involved (not sure how, I didn't realize Cleveland could absorb a 15 million dollar contract) but I still don't like it.

I think the Pierce and Bradley deal for Eric Gordon is 10 times better than this.

At least there, you get an actual player you can use next season. Trading Pierce for the no 1 pick would be one thing.

But to trade him for two first rounders and a TE.

I'd pass.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

When I read the thread title, I was thinking, "HELL NO! That's not good compensation for PP"... then I read (b/c I forgot lol) that we get a TE, well, this is as good as you can hope to get for PP.


I don't want any trades, I want to run it back, for many reasons. With that said, if I have to suffer through this (almost) full rebuild then this is the first really good idea I have seen on here, something that's actually realistic and good for BOTH parties. PP may not be as enthused but he knows this is a business, he would only have to suffer for 1 more season b.c. his contract is up.

[Moranis]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

[Greenback]

Go for it...pick up Archie Goodwin and Rodney Williams...those guys along with Schroeder in the first round, would give the Celtics athleticism a shot in the arm...may be pick up Dieng from the first round pick of the Clippers or Nuggets and off to the races we go...and if we pick up D Jordan as a center, the Celtics would be fun to watch next year...

[CelticConcourse]

Pierce is worth more than that.

What would you consider fair value then?

In terms of helping us with our rebuild I think this is as good as it probably gets.

If we're gonna trade him, I'd want young talent + first round pick. It's a high expectation and we couldn't get it last year but I don't want to go any lower. MarShon Brooks + 1st

 

[LooseCannon]

Yeah, I really don't like this idea.

I know a trade exception would be involved (not sure how, I didn't realize Cleveland could absorb a 15 million dollar contract) but I still don't like it.

I think the Pierce and Bradley deal for Eric Gordon is 10 times better than this.

At least there, you get an actual player you can use next season. Trading Pierce for the no 1 pick would be one thing.

But to trade him for two first rounders and a TE.

I'd pass.

I'd rather have Bradley and two first rounders than Eric Gordon.

[LooseCannon]

Pierce is worth more than that.

What would you consider fair value then?

In terms of helping us with our rebuild I think this is as good as it probably gets.

If we're gonna trade him, I'd want young talent + first round pick. It's a high expectation and we couldn't get it last year but I don't want to go any lower. MarShon Brooks + 1st

 

Depending on the quality of the talent, I could see one young player plus a first, two firsts, or two young players as options that can be discussed.  I could see two firsts as being superior to Marshon Brooks and a first.

[jambr380]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

But since Cle will be big time under the cap, isn't a trade exception 'created' since we aren't taking back any salary? I didn't think this had anything to do with Lebron, especially since that was like three years ago and I thought you only had one year to use it.

[Moranis]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

But since Cle will be big time under the cap, isn't a trade exception 'created' since we aren't taking back any salary? I didn't think this had anything to do with Lebron, especially since that was like three years ago and I thought you only had one year to use it.

what are you talking about?

[CelticConcourse]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

But since Cle will be big time under the cap, isn't a trade exception 'created' since we aren't taking back any salary? I didn't think this had anything to do with Lebron, especially since that was like three years ago and I thought you only had one year to use it.

It doesn't have anything to do with us. It was an example.

[danglertx]

Maybe Garnett and Doc decide to stick around with just a Pierce/Josh Smith major change.  Of course, we'd have to give ATL something for a sign and trade, not sure what that would be, Bradley or a pick maybe.  Maybe they'd take Lee or Bass .

[connor]

Pierce is worth more than that.

What would you consider fair value then?

In terms of helping us with our rebuild I think this is as good as it probably gets.

If we're gonna trade him, I'd want young talent + first round pick. It's a high expectation and we couldn't get it last year but I don't want to go any lower. MarShon Brooks + 1st

 

Yeah but that is probably unrealistic unless we get really lucky and the Nets (or a similar team: GS, Dallas etc.) are extremely desperate to shed cap room. Since we haven't been approached yet (at least publicly) and we really only have about 10 days to trade Pierce so he can be waived, thats most likely not happening.

The deal with Cleveland is extremely realistic. If we couldn't get young talent and a first for him last year, this is probably close to as good as we are going to get barring something crazy happening.

2 second rounders (almost 1st rounders) and a giant trade exception we can use now or whenever we get the opportunity in the future. Its alost as good as the deal we would get from the Clippers for KG and Doc, except instead of taking on Jordan's bloated contract we get a trade exception and the picks are a little later.

[jambr380]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

But since Cle will be big time under the cap, isn't a trade exception 'created' since we aren't taking back any salary? I didn't think this had anything to do with Lebron, especially since that was like three years ago and I thought you only had one year to use it.

what are you talking about?

Oops, I thought you were saying that Cle doesn't have a trade exception to send us because they used it in a trade. There is a lot of funny info going around about these trade exceptions, but should have known that you would know better.

[Boris Badenov]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

Cool, maybe we can partner up with the Clips with our exception too.

Anyone heard any rumors recently about the possibility that the Clippers might be interested in some kind of trade with us?

[Kane3387]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

Cavs used the trade exception they got from Lebron to take on Baron Davis contract and a 1st from the Clippers.  The first turned into Kyrie Irving.

Cool, maybe we can partner up with the Clips with our exception too.

Anyone heard any rumors recently about the possibility that the Clippers might be interested in some kind of trade with us?

I thought Mo Williams was traded for Baron Davis...