Rumor: Paul Pierce to Cavs for 2nd round picks #31 & #33

[Boris Badenov]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

Edit: I see mention of the Nash deal. Any others?

[clover]

That's actually not bad.  We get a trade exception and two picks that are pretty close to being 1st round picks.

In this draft I wouldn't be all that excited, but the TE would open up the possibility of bringing in one of the major FAs this offseason.

Yeah, we could use it to get Josh Smith (eh . . .) or just hold onto it and maybe use it around draft time next year.


I'd prefer to use it next year.  Free agent class is better then anyhow, and we don't need to worry about winning this season.

Yep.  Could play nicely into one tank year and then a quick rebound thereafter.

[Fafnir]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

[Celtics4ever]

I smell Troll here....

[j804]

I cant beleive we would do the captain like this, Cleveland?

[Boris Badenov]

Can someone with a better memory than mine point me to any instances in the past when teams have used their trade exceptions to acquire valuable pieces?

I'm just trying to get a picture of how valuable that exception really will be.

TE was used to get Nash. TE was used to get Al Jefferson to Utah. TE's have been used to buy draft picks for absorbing some salary, etc...

They often don't result in anything though.

So if we set the Nash deal (because it's the Lakers), we have one example of a TE being used to get something valuable. And how many big TEs have expired unused? Seems like a lot.

I guess I'm wondering just how valuable such a thing really is.

[Smartacus]

That's actually not bad.  We get a trade exception and two picks that are pretty close to being 1st round picks.

In this draft I wouldn't be all that excited, but the TE would open up the possibility of bringing in one of the major FAs this offseason.

I like this trade and have to disagree with you about this draft.

Chad Ford just today posted his 2013 draft tiers. This is where he polls GMs from around the league to try to build a consensice of what players are at what level. He had no tier 1 or 2 players (sure or likely allstars), 6 tier 3 players, 6 tier 4 players and 25 tier 5 players.

Tier 5 players are typically drafted between 20-30 in most drafts.

2012 Tier 5: Harkless, Melo, Miller, Moultrie, Nicholson, Teague, White, Wroten

2011 Tier 5: Davis Bertans ,Marshon Brooks,Kenneth Faried,Jordan Hamilton,Tobias Harris,Tyler Honeycutt,Reggie Jackson, Nikola Mirotic, Darius Morris,Markieff Morris,Donatas Motiejunas,Josh Selby,Nikola Vucevic

With 12 players tier 1-4 and 25 in tier 5 that means that this trade would get the celtics 2 tier 5 players on 2nd round contracts. These picks would be equivalent to getting two picks in mid 20s in most drafts.

This is the list of tier 5 player, I would be happy to see the Cs draft almost any three of these players. #16,#31,#33

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Reggie Bullock
Isaiah Canaan
Allen Crabbe
Gorgui Dieng
Jamaal Franklin
Rudy Gobert
Archie Goodwin
Erick Green
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Pierre Jackson
Sergey Karasev
Shane Larkin
Ricardo Ledo
C.J. Leslie
Tony Mitchell
Shabazz Muhammad
Lucas Nogueira
Kelly Olynyk
Mason Plumlee
Glen Rice Jr.
Dennis Schroeder
Tony Snell
Jeff Withey
Nate Wolters

Possible picks
#16 Nogueira/Gobert
#31 Ledo/Goodwin
#33 Jackson/Canaan

I could see Jamaal Franklin Having a long night and falling out of the first round. If so he'd be a nice pick up in that range. Big Hands, Mean Defender, Nice Athlete, led the NCAA in rebounding last year.Questions about his NBA position and role could allow him to slip.

Pierre Jackson would be that ideal backup point who can also drop buckets when the bench slows down

This would be the ideal spot to roll the dice on Antetokunmpo(Greek spelling in case anyone was wondering, Adetokunbo is his Nigerian name)Stash him for 2-3 years and the player joining our '15 squad may be a bit closer to Pierce than many realize.

Comparatively to the past 3-5 drafts picks 12-40 are actually well stocked with strong talent. Not being Top heavy is actually good for us since Good talent will drop due to uncertainty and the draft is loaded with quality rotation level players.

[Eddie20]

Not bad, a trade exception can come in very handy. I was hoping for the Mavs 1st round pick (#13), but considering this draft class, two 2nd rounders and a trade exception may be the better option

I don't think doing both would be a bad idea.

Pierce to Cleveland for the #31 and #33 picks and a trade exception is generated.

KG to Dallas for the #13 pick and a trade exception is generated.

We could use the Pierce exception for Josh Smith and the KG one for Big Al. Then we would have picks #'s 13, 16, 31, and 33 where I would consider using one of two latter picks as a draft and stash.

[Fafnir]

I guess I'm wondering just how valuable such a thing really is.

Depends on how determined your GM is to use it.

Most of the time teams aren't eager to add salary with it because they've gotten them after their FAs have bolted for another team. (ala LBJ, Bosh, Boozer, etc)

[erisred]

What? This would be even worse than the Clippers deal.

Why would the Celts just give Pierce away for two crap 2nd round draft picks?

Couldn't we at least get Varajeo out of the deal?

What's this fascination that Ainge has with draft picks?

The 16mil trade exception more valuable than Varajeo...

Probably. If the C's are "running it back" with Doc and KG staying, then getting Varajeo would be a good get...but with the TE the C's would have a shot at Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, or Paul Milsap in S&T, possibly better gets. If the C's are "going lotto" (I won't say tanking) then that big TE would be very handy *next* year to combine with the low lotto pick for someone very, very, good, or to add a near max FA in sign and trade (next years FA class is supposed to be very strong).

It seems almost like a dream deal for the C's, IMO. I'm not at all sure the Cav's would do it, though. I also think there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth among a large group of Celtics fans.

[nickagneta]

Do this deal.

Then use the TE in a sign and trade and get Josh Smith.

Use #16, #31 and #33 in a package to move up into the 4th spot in a trade with Charlotte and take Alex Len.

With Doc Rivers coaching this is next year's team

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/KG
Terry/Lee/Crawford/Sully/Len
Williams/Bass/Randolph/Melo

Go for it one year with this group and if it looks really bad around the trade deadline you move the bass/lee/terry contracts for expirings and move forward in the future with Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Len/Sully core hoping to add players in later years

Not saying I want or like this option but I could see Danny trying something like this.

Oh, and yeah, I know, Charlotte never does that deal but never say never with MJ/Charlotte.

[Smartacus]

I cant beleive we would do the captain like this, Cleveland?

With Pierce, Cleveland could be looking to break out in '14. Their well situated to be a playoff fixture for years to come. Top 4-7 point guard-when healthy- in the League. Nice young nucleus moving forward, including a ridiculous amount of picks that could be used for acquiring more talent.

I'm just surprised because I was/am convinced they are going to make a run at Lebron when his contract is up. Pierce may help or hurt search.

[erisred]

Not bad, a trade exception can come in very handy. I was hoping for the Mavs 1st round pick (#13), but considering this draft class, two 2nd rounders and a trade exception may be the better option

I don't think doing both would be a bad idea.

Pierce to Cleveland for the #31 and #33 picks and a trade exception is generated.

KG to Dallas for the #13 pick and a trade exception is generated.

We could use the Pierce exception for Josh Smith and the KG one for Big Al. Then we would have picks #'s 13, 16, 31, and 33 where I would consider using one of two latter picks as a draft and stash.

If all that worked out, it would be a great reload summer.

Rondo/???
Bradley/Terry
Green/???
JSmith/Sully/Bass
AJeff/Melo
+ 13, 16, 31 and 33

Doubt it would work, though...
1. KG probably wouldn't drop his NTO
2. Would Cavs *really* make this deal?
3. Long shot to get JSmith and AJeff in S&T's
4. Cap, Cap, Cap! Will make 2 big S&T's undoable and bring on repeater lux tax which I think Wyc wants to avoid.

[Fafnir]

I cant beleive we would do the captain like this, Cleveland?

With Pierce, Cleveland could be looking to break out in '14. Their well situated to be a playoff fixture for years to come. Top 4-7 point guard-when healthy- in the League. Nice young nucleus moving forward, including a ridiculous amount of picks that could be used for acquiring more talent.

I'm just surprised because I was/am convinced they are going to make a run at Lebron when his contract is up. Pierce may help or hurt search.

Pierce would be out the door to make room for LeBron I don't think it'd effect their pitch to LBJ at all.

Other than if they make the playoffs with Pierce they can point to that and say think of what we could do with YOU there instead of an aged Pierce.

[danglertx]

Really, the TE could be used to get Josh Smith and we have an outside chance at Ledo with the 31st pick and maybe Withey with the 33rd.

Our 16th pick would be the German point guard or the Greek Freek pg/sg/sf.  Either of those guys probably spend a lot of time in Maine, but Withey might be a backup C.  Then the same team runs it back with a healthy Sully and Rondo plus Josh Smith for Pierce.  It might work, I'd watch it at least.