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Re: C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking
« Reply #240 on: June 20, 2013, 04:02:59 PM »

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Stern loves the limelight,   Vince McMahon wannabe
 

The end of the day doc has value and  we are entitled to compensation

Kg has value and we are entitled to compensation

Who is  the league to say what compensation we are entitled  to either

The league position might make sense if kg had no trade value and was a stiff,  say the trade was doc and DJ white for 2 picks and bledsoe,  but the position of the league that we getting overdue player compensation because we are trading doc is ridiculous

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« Reply #241 on: June 20, 2013, 04:04:15 PM »

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#Celtics, #Clippers forced to explore adding players, swapping of picks, to deals that ultimately will get KG and Doc to LA.

I wonder which players it would be and if Stern will bite.

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« Reply #242 on: June 20, 2013, 04:06:16 PM »

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Stern loves the limelight,   Vince McMahon wannabe
 

The end of the day doc has value and  we are entitled to compensation

Kg has value and we are entitled to compensation

Who is  the league to say what compensation we are entitled  to either

The league position might make sense if kg had no trade value and was a stiff,  say the trade was doc and DJ white for 2 picks and bledsoe,  but the position of the league that we getting overdue player compensation because we are trading doc is ridiculous

Right.  The league position only really makes sense if you think Deandre Jordan straight up for Kevin Garnett is an unfair trade for the Clippers.

The picks don't matter because it would be legal for the Clippers to trade us two 1st round picks for Doc.

The only thing that's not allowed (and is considered cap circumvention) is trading players for a token player when what you're really trading for is a coach.
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« Reply #243 on: June 20, 2013, 04:06:32 PM »

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Its absolutely sickening if this deal gets worse for us and we end up taking it

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« Reply #244 on: June 20, 2013, 04:07:33 PM »

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Its absolutely sickening if this deal gets worse for us and we end up taking it

I would absolutely not do it if it means the Celtics have to give up any future picks.

If at some point we have to swap 2nd round picks, then fine.  But 1st round picks have to be completely off the table.
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« Reply #245 on: June 20, 2013, 04:09:10 PM »

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Can we just add Bradley for Bledsoe?

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« Reply #246 on: June 20, 2013, 04:09:37 PM »

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#Celtics, #Clippers forced to explore adding players, swapping of picks, to deals that ultimately will get KG and Doc to LA.

I wonder which players it would be and if Stern will bite.

How does adding more noise around the deal change the intent?  At the end of the day, we're trying to send KG and Doc to LA.  It is what it is.  Throwing in other stuff doesn't change that at all.

Personally I don't know what's so unfair about this deal that the league office has to intervene.  If every involved party is alright with it, why should some uninvolved party have the right to call it off?

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« Reply #247 on: June 20, 2013, 04:11:41 PM »

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Is it legal to receive draft pick compensation for releasing a coach from his contract? That seems to be the biggest issue.

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« Reply #248 on: June 20, 2013, 04:13:13 PM »

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« Reply #249 on: June 20, 2013, 04:15:22 PM »

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Is it legal to receive draft pick compensation for releasing a coach from his contract? That seems to be the biggest issue.

Which should not be a problem if the deal sent to the NBA would be KG for DeAndre + 2 picks.

The Doc thing is merely just an agreement after the deal is made, it wasn't part of the trade. Basically if the said deal is done, Celtics will release Doc from his contract provisions and he will be hired by the Clippers. While it sounds like he's being traded, he is not.

I don't know why the NBA could not get this...
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« Reply #250 on: June 20, 2013, 04:15:42 PM »

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Its absolutely sickening if this deal gets worse for us and we end up taking it

& if it gets better ?

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« Reply #251 on: June 20, 2013, 04:17:56 PM »

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KG has a no-trade clause. Trading him will always be contingent on something.

It isn't clear that there is a scenario where we get compensation for Doc that would not be viewed this way.

The Clippers would probably gladly take Doc without KG, so perhaps letting Doc go first and then doing the KG trade later would please the league. It would remove any pressure the Clippers the could potentially feel to pay a lot for KG for the sake of also getting Doc.

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« Reply #252 on: June 20, 2013, 04:18:40 PM »

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Personally I don't know what's so unfair about this deal that the league office has to intervene.  If every involved party is alright with it, why should some uninvolved party have the right to call it off?

I think it is about the league wanting to avoid a precedent being set for trading a coach along with a player.

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« Reply #253 on: June 20, 2013, 04:19:40 PM »

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Is it legal to receive draft pick compensation for releasing a coach from his contract? That seems to be the biggest issue.

Which should not be a problem if the deal sent to the NBA would be KG for DeAndre + 2 picks.

The Doc thing is merely just an agreement after the deal is made, it wasn't part of the trade. Basically if the said deal is done, Celtics will release Doc from his contract provisions and he will be hired by the Clippers. While it sounds like he's being traded, he is not.

I don't know why the NBA could not get this...
The league would never view what you are saying as legit because the value doesn't match up. Based on what the Celtics are at the moment, the Clippers should not have to give up that much for just KG. If we were a better team, perhaps.

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« Reply #254 on: June 20, 2013, 04:21:18 PM »

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Is it legal to receive draft pick compensation for releasing a coach from his contract? That seems to be the biggest issue.

It's legal to give a team a draft pick in compensation for allowing a coach under contract to leave.


However, it's not legal to trade a team one of your players with the understanding that the other team will release their coach so he can sign with you.
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