C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking

[sed522002]

Stern said: "If you think those [deals], at this point having been all over the media for the last week, are separate transactions, when you get back from Miami, Stephen A., I have a bridge that I would very much enjoy selling to you."

That statement leads me to believe that he not buying what ever deal the C's and Clips are selling.

[rutzan]

Alright!!!  Go David Stern!!!  The best moves are the ones you don't make...more to the point...if he is following the rules of the CBA...then...no one can complain...these rules were voted on and approved for a reason...

[j804]

Stern said: "If you think those [deals], at this point having been all over the media for the last week, are separate transactions, when you get back from Miami, Stephen A., I have a bridge that I would very much enjoy selling to you."

That statement leads me to believe that he not buying what ever deal the C's and Clips are selling.

So pretty much they won't let it happen since it was already put out there. So time to finally move on then?!?!

[fairweatherfan]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9407652/nba-unlikely-approve-moves-involving-boston-celtics-los-angeles-clippers-sources

My god... I'm the biggest David Stern apologist on this board... it's getting really hard to defend this dude.  He's a prick.

I have no idea how the league questions the KG for Jordan trade, but then they allowed the Beasley, the #2 pick overall just 2 years earlier, trade to the Wolves, where the Wolves stole Beasley (at least at the time) so the Heat could have available salary to sign their Big 3.

To complete the trade, Minnesota must only part with a 2011 second-round pick to acquire Beasley. The teams have also agreed to a swap of unspecified future first-round picks.

A lopsided trade to cut salary is fine - remember when Phoenix traded Kurt Thomas and two 1sts for a 2nd rounder? 

The problem with this is that Doc and KG are being discussed and sent as a package deal, which is not allowed under the CBA.  Can't make a player deal contingent on a coach also coming along, or vice versa.  That's why there's so much resistance.

[sed522002]

Stern said: "If you think those [deals], at this point having been all over the media for the last week, are separate transactions, when you get back from Miami, Stephen A., I have a bridge that I would very much enjoy selling to you."

That statement leads me to believe that he not buying what ever deal the C's and Clips are selling.

So pretty much they won't let it happen since it was already put out there. So time to finally move on then?!?!

Whatever is gong to happen/not happen needs to hurry up so contingency plans can be made

[steve]

They still should be allowed to do 1 of the deals.  You can't penalize a team for talking about a doing a "contingency trade". 

For the record, where is the proof that these two deals are one deal?  I mean, they are... but what if they weren't? 

Would they have to talk about the Jordan/KG deal then hang up the phone and call back to discuss Doc?

[sed522002]

They still should be allowed to do 1 of the deals.  You can't penalize a team for talking about a doing a "contingency trade". 

For the record, where is the proof that these two deals are one deal?  I mean, they are... but what if they weren't? 

Would they have to talk about the Jordan/KG deal then hang up the phone and call back to discuss Doc?

I guess, but wouldn't both deals have to be done together? Is KG going to waive his clause without Doc being in the deal? A lot of questions 

[Neurotic Guy]

They still should be allowed to do 1 of the deals.  You can't penalize a team for talking about a doing a "contingency trade". 

For the record, where is the proof that these two deals are one deal?  I mean, they are... but what if they weren't? 

Would they have to talk about the Jordan/KG deal then hang up the phone and call back to discuss Doc?

Since it's not a court of law, the burden of proof is at the discretion of Stern.  It looks like a duck is probably the level of proof needed.

[PhoSita]

They still should be allowed to do 1 of the deals.  You can't penalize a team for talking about a doing a "contingency trade". 

For the record, where is the proof that these two deals are one deal?  I mean, they are... but what if they weren't? 

Would they have to talk about the Jordan/KG deal then hang up the phone and call back to discuss Doc?

Since it's not a court of law, the burden of proof is at the discretion of Stern.  It looks like a duck is probably the level of proof needed.

Yup.

What Stern says is legal is legal, and visa versa.  He's the guy who decides.


Seems like this one isn't going to happen.

Time for Doc to resign and go to broadcasting, KG to retire, Pierce to get traded / waived, and we can all go back to talking about the draft / contemplating how bad the team will be next season.

[Fafnir]

They still should be allowed to do 1 of the deals.  You can't penalize a team for talking about a doing a "contingency trade". 

For the record, where is the proof that these two deals are one deal?  I mean, they are... but what if they weren't? 

Would they have to talk about the Jordan/KG deal then hang up the phone and call back to discuss Doc?

Since it's not a court of law, the burden of proof is at the discretion of Stern.  It looks like a duck is probably the level of proof needed.

Yup.

What Stern says is legal is legal, and visa versa.  He's the guy who decides.


Seems like this one isn't going to happen.

Time for Doc to resign and go to broadcasting, KG to retire, Pierce to get traded / waived, and we can all go back to talking about the draft / contemplating how bad the team will be next season.

Which is a crappy ending to it all if that's what it comes to.

(shoving Doc out of coaching and KG out of playing)

Oh well NBA league office doesn't give a crap, never have, never will. They care about making sure their power is undisbuted and constantly milking municipalities out of as much money as possible.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

Question to more knowledgeable members here: so Doc is the reason that Bledsoe wasn't included in this deal?

[Tgro]

  I guess I wonder...

Don't these teams know all these things before going to the bargaining tables? So why would you let all this news leak to "sources" knowing that doing so, you stand a good chance of screwing yourself out of the deal?

This has been all over tv and the internet for the last 2 weeks. It's impossible for KG and Doc NOT to look like a package deal NOW!!!

[Fafnir]

Question to more knowledgeable members here: so Doc is the reason that Bledsoe wasn't included in this deal?

Unknown, though I think that's its unlikely.

The report was redacted from Wojo's article it was published. Which makes me think it was not a solid report myself.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

Question to more knowledgeable members here: so Doc is the reason that Bledsoe wasn't included in this deal?

Unknown, though I think that's its unlikely.

The report was redacted from Wojo's article it was published. Which makes me think it was not a solid report myself.

I see, thank you.

[Neurotic Guy]

I am sure I don't understand all this, and I apologize if this has already been stated, but if the big concern from the NBA is the fact that the KG trade is connected to, contingent upon, the Doc deal, then doesn't trading KG first (requiring a waive of his no-trade) effectively show that it is not contingent? 
In other words, if KG agrees to the trade before Doc leaves he is stating "I am going to LA regardless of what happens with Doc", since there would be no turning back.   If it happens first, by definition the KG trade would not be contingent on Doc going to LA. 

I can't see there being a rule against KG hoping Doc ends up there, or even leaving with faith that the 2 sides will try to get it done. I can't see what is wrong with that.  Seems transparent and fair.