The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[BballTim]

Let's say it all breaks down. Does KG after agreeing to be traded to LA, re evaluates things and is willing to go to another team? That would likely bring us a much higher return.

Who is going to give us a higher return for Garnett?

  Without looking at who we could get, I'd say contenders who think they're close might, such as the Bulls, the Knicks, even the Nuggets or the like. Maybe even the Thunder.

none of those teams want KG. theres a reason only the clips are talking.

Boozer and the Bobcats pick would be a strong offer if Chicago were willing to do so. I'd say the likelihood is pretty slim though. That Bobcats pick is pretty valuable.

I can't see much else Chicago can offer. Taj Gibson maybe. Gibson and a first for Garnett.

im letting you know right now chicago does not want kg, and kg will not waive his clause unless he plays for doc

  You're letting us know you don't think chicago wants KG, unless you heard that directly from chicago's gm I'm letting you know right now that you're probably wrong. If the Celts had a chance to add a player like KG to their roster over the last 4-5 years do you think they would have, or do you think they'd have said "no thanks, we're all set"? It's completely ridiculous.

[tarheelsxxiii]

This would all be so much easier if we took the Belichick route... just stock up on brawny white guys, all under 5'9", that can play multiple positions. Scoop up one of the best floor generals in the game. And boom, instant contenders.

That would blow peoples' minds.

[BleedGreen1989]

Let's say it all breaks down. Does KG after agreeing to be traded to LA, re evaluates things and is willing to go to another team? That would likely bring us a much higher return.

Who is going to give us a higher return for Garnett?

  Without looking at who we could get, I'd say contenders who think they're close might, such as the Bulls, the Knicks, even the Nuggets or the like. Maybe even the Thunder.

none of those teams want KG. theres a reason only the clips are talking.

Boozer and the Bobcats pick would be a strong offer if Chicago were willing to do so. I'd say the likelihood is pretty slim though. That Bobcats pick is pretty valuable.

I can't see much else Chicago can offer. Taj Gibson maybe. Gibson and a first for Garnett.

im letting you know right now chicago does not want kg, and kg will not waive his clause unless he plays for doc

  You're letting us know you don't think chicago wants KG, unless you heard that directly from chicago's gm I'm letting you know right now that you're probably wrong. If the Celts had a chance to add a player like KG to their roster over the last 4-5 years do you think they would have, or do you think they'd have said "no thanks, we're all set"? It's completely ridiculous.

Yea, pretty sure Thibs is on the short list of coaches Doc would play for.

[SHAQATTACK]

Is this Jordon guy made of GOLD .....?

THrow away the coach and team for ONE SECOND STRING PLAYER .......that can't shoot 

Has somebody been sleeping around ?  are you sleeping with the Clippers GM wife?


Ainge

you need a lobotomy

You are insane .

[hpantazo]

Time for Danny to pull out the "we're trading Pierce to Dallas so they can clear cap space for CP3 and Dwight Howard" card.

Would DAL have the cap space after cutting Pierce?

If so, this is EXACTLY what I'd do. I'd give them one chance before I actually took action and did it.

I believe so, at least for one of those two if not for both. Dirk is going to take a pay cut and they are looking to clear more cap space to make a legit run at Dwight Howard and/or CP3. They were interested in trading for Pierce's contract for this reason at the deadline last season. I'm sure they would still be interested now.

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

[kgainez]

i feel like at this point, if Ainge doesn't do it, we're gonna be left with nothing.
And if he does do it, we get something, but it's not that great....

So now what?

[CT32]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

[crownontherocks]

Clips-C's talks are dying, though not totally dead; L Hollins, By Scott, B Shaw all still in running for Clips job

Chris_Broussard

I hopeeeeee cp3 leaves

[Chief Macho]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

why? my point is boston doesnt need this done.  they can call rivers bluff and see if he coaches.  he probably doesnt.  let hollins or some other coach get a crack at it.  plus they don't have to pay rivers if he quits.  why is this so important for boston if they don't get what they want?

[Fan from VT]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Celtics have the pieces that LAC wants under contract. So that's the leverage. We have the pieces they want; they are simply one path to possibly get an extra asset to speed up the rebuilding process. The Clippers are setting the tone for the next several years to try to keep Chris Paul and re-sign Blake.


And I think of it this way: If I'm LAC and I upgrade from VDN to Doc and Jordan to KG and get to keep Bledsoe only giving up a crappy late first, I'm ecstatic. Therefore it's a bad deal for the C's and they should walk away and make those under contract work for them. They need Bledsoe or at least a future lottery-guaranteed ("reverse protected") pick coming back. They don't have to do anything.

[Celtics/Run]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

Get out troll. The Celtics are not desperate to win. 17 Championships buys you time unlike endless Clipper failure doesn't.

[esel1000]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m

For now, the Clippers and Celtics plan to reconnect on Tuesday morning to further negotiate the Garnett-Rivers deal, league sources tell Y!

[hpantazo]

I don't understand what you guys are angry about. The Clippers have all of the leverage here, why shouldn't they use it to full extent? if they DIDN'T use their leverage, then they'd be bad management. cp3 staying really has nothing to do with the clipps getting Doc or not, idk why you guys are assuming this. He'd be just as happy with shaw, scott, or hollins. And the clippers don't want to take on Lee's contract because they want to trade bledsoe to orlando for Afflalo (who has a BIGGER contract than lee, so enough of that "they're being cheap" BS). Yes, the clippers are "threatening" to walk away. If they do happen to walk away, they aren't gonna get screwed over, and Ainge isn't gonna "stick it to them" by pulling out of this deal. They're still going to be in great shape. I think the celtics, however, are at a point of no return. They need to make this trade or else doc goes into broadcasting, and without him coaching pierce and KG retire this off season.

you're just wrong.  ainge doesn't have to do anything.  who cares if rivers leaves.  get another coach. kg either plays or retires a celtic.  jordon and a crappy first rounder are pointless.  the clips have no leverage.  they are the ones that want something to win next year.

lol how am I wrong, everything I said is true. Who cares if rivers leaves? apparently Ainge and the celtics FO cares. the clippers have ALL of the leverage because they don't need this deal done as much as boston does.

This deal for the Clippers is about only one thing, keeping Chris Paul. They desperately need the deal because there are no other options out there for them to get to appease Paul.

For the celtics, they don't need to do anything, they have ALL the leverage. They are rebuilding anyway, so who cares if they lose Doc and KG. If no team wants to give up some value for them, then no big loss. If the Clippers fail to get KG and Doc and CP3 walks, they are screwed.